TT, SC, or just get an R8 or Porsche GT3?

Mr. Mcoupe · 07-11-2010, 01:17 PM

You may want to consider an Exige S260. Reasonably priced. Lightweight with a SC 4cyl Toyota engine.

Mr. Mcoupe · 07-11-2010, 01:24 PM

Here are some sample pics of a S220, another S220 and S260 in order of pic:

mrcardio · 07-11-2010, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

No corvettes until I'm bald, fat and pushing 60yo. I don't care if it's a ZR1. Still a piece of $hit Corvette. I'd have to gut the interior if I ever got stuck with one.

The GTR is forever enticing but long-term review after review suggests that it's not driver-engaging. That would be a big upset for me. I like to feel in touch with the car and have the charisma of a manual transmission. Just going fast on a track isn't good enough unless I was actually wheel-wheel racing. Hell, if I was to get a 911 turbo, I'd still get a manual transmission. I'd rather go moderately fast and have a ton of fun doing it, then go really fast but just turn the wheel and push two pedals. Even driving the flappy paddles isn't as fun as rowing a 6MT.

Statements like this help restore my faith in humanity. It's refreshing to know that at least not everyone is dumb as a box of rocks. You like my self understand that being the “fastest” doesn’t by default equate to being the “most rewarding to drive, etc, etc.”

m4a1mustang · 07-11-2010, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mrcardio

Statements like this help restore my faith in humanity. It's refreshing to know that at least not everyone is dumb as a box of rocks. You like my self understand that being the “fastest” doesn’t by default equate to being the “most rewarding to drive, etc, etc.”

Unless you are in competition, being the fastest doesn't mean anything. Track days are all about fun!

mrcardio · 07-11-2010, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

Unless you are in competition, being the fastest doesn't mean anything. Track days are all about fun!

Exactly! Plus what are you proving if you beat someone who's driving a slower car? All it proves is that you won because you had an advantage not because you were necessarily the best driver. I find it more fun / rewarding to win against an even playing field and I doubt I’m alone on that. Regarding the Audi R8 and Porsche GT3; the R8 would probably be the car to have if it were your daily driver and the GT3 for a track toy.

MMC Racing · 07-12-2010, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

The GTR is forever enticing but long-term review after review suggests that it's not driver-engaging. That would be a big upset for me. I like to feel in touch with the car and have the charisma of a manual transmission. Just going fast on a track isn't good enough unless I was actually wheel-wheel racing. Hell, if I was to get a 911 turbo, I'd still get a manual transmission. I'd rather go moderately fast and have a ton of fun doing it, then go really fast but just turn the wheel and push two pedals. Even driving the flappy paddles isn't as fun as rowing a 6MT.

Maybe you should look at long term reviews from actual owners? People go too deep into this auto versus manual debate and miss the exhilaration of taking a line around a bend that would put one of the competition in the grass. Maybe in an ideal world, you'd have a manual R35 to get everything you desire, but the reality is the majority of highly satisfied owners find other driving aspects overriding the lack of a clutch pedal.

m4a1mustang · 07-12-2010, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

Maybe you should look at long term reviews from actual owners? People go too deep into this auto versus manual debate and miss the exhilaration of taking a line around a bend that would put one of the competition in the grass. Maybe in an idea world, you'd have a manual R35 to get everything you desire, but the reality is the majority of highly satisfied owners find other driving aspects overriding the lack of a clutch pedal.

I'm sure the GT-R is great for some people. For others that really want that direct manual transmission feel, it's just not going to be a car for them.

But I do think that once you get up into that supercar performance territory whether you are driving a paddle shift car or a full on manual doesn't really matter at that point, as you start to concern yourself with more important things... like how ridiculously fast you are going!

spearfish25 · 07-12-2010, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

Maybe you should look at long term reviews from actual owners? People go too deep into this auto versus manual debate and miss the exhilaration of taking a line around a bend that would put one of the competition in the grass. Maybe in an ideal world, you'd have a manual R35 to get everything you desire, but the reality is the majority of highly satisfied owners find other driving aspects overriding the lack of a clutch pedal.

Well, actual owners will be biased as with anything else people are invested in. I've heard stories of people selling their GTRs because they didn't like the lack of involvement. I'm sure there are plenty more diehard owners who love them (yourself included

). The short of it is that I'm not competing in races and the fun for me is the act of driving. I like a manual and this car will be used both street and track. Getting groceries in a GTR would be a bore while it's still fun to drive a 6MT 370Z even on the short grocery trips. If I was competing on track as a profession, the GTR might look a lot more appealing. Again, it's just my opinion on the matter. Car ownership and that inherent 'relationship' one develops with the car is a complicated dynamic that is different for everyone.

spearfish25 · 07-11-2010, 01:53 PM

The Exige is nice, priced well, and certainly capable and fun. But it can't hang with the big dogs.

Funny that the GTR overheats. Nissan doesn't do well with cooling their products.

mrcardio · 07-12-2010, 07:47 PM

The lack of driver involvement concerning the Nissan GTR goes far beyond just the lack of traditional manual transmission. You don't have to be a good driver to run fast lap times in a GTR. That just goes to show how computer / electronic driven the damn car is and of course GTR owners will be biased, they just dropped 80k+ on the damn thing! Just go drive pratically any Porsche and then a GTR and you'll see what I'm talking about.

MMC Racing · 07-12-2010, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mrcardio

The lack of driver involvement concerning the Nissan GTR goes far beyond just the lack of traditional manual transmission. You don't have to be a good driver to run fast lap times in a GTR. That just goes to show how computer / electronic driven the damn car is and of course GTR owners will be biased, they just dropped 80k+ on the damn thing! Just go drive pratically any Porsche and then a GTR and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Just to be clear, you haven't driven a GT-R have you?

Mr. Mcoupe · 07-12-2010, 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

Just to be clear, you haven't driven a GT-R have you?

I have not but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

spearfish25 · 07-12-2010, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MMC Racing

Just to be clear, you haven't driven a GT-R have you?

Another good point actually. How the hell does a potential buyer get to drive one? People are nuts to plunk down that kind of change on a car they've never driven. Nissan won't let you drive one even if you wave a wad of cash under the dealer's nose as a serious potential buyer.

m4a1mustang · 07-12-2010, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by spearfish25

Another good point actually. How the hell does a potential buyer get to drive one? People are nuts to plunk down that kind of change on a car they've never driven. Nissan won't let you drive one even if you wave a wad of cash under the dealer's nose as a serious potential buyer.

It's really not a car you need to test drive to know you want.

HKYStormFront · 07-12-2010, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

It's really not a car you need to test drive to know you want.

x1million

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Mr. Mcoupe Base Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: The Woodlands Posts: 58 Drives: See Sig Rep Power: 15	You may want to consider an Exige S260. Reasonably priced. Lightweight with a SC 4cyl Toyota engine. __________________ Current: 19 GT-R[]17 M2[]17 WRX[]14 T4R[]12 NV2500[]07 Exige S[]07 S2k[]05 M3[]03 M3[]02 MCoupe[]94 MR2T[]93 MR2 T[]92 MR2 T[]91 MR2 T[]95 SC400[] Gone but not forgotten: 04 STI[]05 MR2 Spyder[]04 S2k[]03 IS300[]90 MR2[]

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Mr. Mcoupe Base Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: The Woodlands Posts: 58 Drives: See Sig Rep Power: 15	Here are some sample pics of a S220, another S220 and S260 in order of pic: __________________ Current: 19 GT-R[]17 M2[]17 WRX[]14 T4R[]12 NV2500[]07 Exige S[]07 S2k[]05 M3[]03 M3[]02 MCoupe[]94 MR2T[]93 MR2 T[]92 MR2 T[]91 MR2 T[]95 SC400[] Gone but not forgotten: 04 STI[]05 MR2 Spyder[]04 S2k[]03 IS300[]90 MR2[] Last edited by Mr. Mcoupe; 07-11-2010 at 01:41 PM.

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spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1857	The Exige is nice, priced well, and certainly capable and fun. But it can't hang with the big dogs. Funny that the GTR overheats. Nissan doesn't do well with cooling their products. __________________ 2013 Cadillac V-Wagon, RIP Z

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mrcardio Base Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Central Florida Posts: 219 Drives: 08 MS3 Rep Power: 15	The lack of driver involvement concerning the Nissan GTR goes far beyond just the lack of traditional manual transmission. You don't have to be a good driver to run fast lap times in a GTR. That just goes to show how computer / electronic driven the damn car is and of course GTR owners will be biased, they just dropped 80k+ on the damn thing! Just go drive pratically any Porsche and then a GTR and you'll see what I'm talking about. __________________ ‹^› ‹(•¿•)› ‹^›

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