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stormcrow 05-02-2010 04:44 PM

2010 370Z NISMO Twin Turbo build courtesy of GTM
 
Some of you may know me; some of you may not. Some of you may agree with what I have posted on this forum; some of you may not. But, I will wager that we all have one thing in common – the desire to modify our beloved imports.

This being the fifth ‘project’ car that I have modified in the past 3.5 years, I wanted to balance cost with performance; a task that has, so far, been very elusive and has taken me a while to figure out. I admit that over the past few years I have bought into a lot of the hype and spent a lot of unnecessary money in the process. Some monies spent were good ‘insurance’ while others were an utter waste. But, this time, I vowed to have the safest build possible while being the most fiscally conservative. Luckily, advances in technology of the VQ platform and some well thought out planning will allow me to reach my goal.

In the past I have turned to tuner shops and the forums to give me the answers that I seek. While these resources have been good, I have found that there is a lot of misinformation floating around and that the almighty dollar is what the modification game is mostly about. These days I tend to build off of my own past experiences as well as (and most importantly) the experiences of others.

So where to start? How does one come to decide on what type of Forced Induction to purchase? Should I go turbo? Supercharger? Which kit? What support mods do I need? Who should do the install/tune? (if not myself as a DIY project) As usual, these are the top tier questions that I struggled with. For me, due to my past experiences, some of the questions were easily answered. Twin turbo is the only way for me. I have purchased two supercharger kits in the past and have been disappointed with both. The linear torque of the supercharger is just too mild for my tastes. I have tried both centrifugal and roots types. Neither produced the torque or power I desired.

Ok, so twin turbo it is. Now, which kit? There are currently three competing kits. One has been out on the market for a short period of time and is only sold in-house (AAM), one has been out for a bit longer and has a bit more press (GTM) and one has just recently been released (GReddy). All of these kits look very promising and are from reputable manufacturers. All seem to be scalable and perform the same when simply bolted on. Comparing apples to apples, I chose the GTM kit over the AAM and GReddy. Why? Here are my reasons:

1. GOALS - I set my power goals at a maximum of 450-475 to the wheel. Though the GTM kit is scalable from 400 to over 1000whp with the Stage 2 through Stage 6 kits, I have found that anything over 450-500whp is a pure waste on the street. Traction issues keep the car slower out of the hole and cause drivability issues that I no longer want. As the street is where I do 100% of my driving, I have no need for anything more than a Stage 2 setup and 475whp. The GTM kit easily met my power goals.

2. QUALITY – There is no doubt that all three kits are of great quality. Some more so than others, of course, but nonetheless, they will all get the job done. The GTM and GReddy kits are both spectacularly designed with what surely looks to be a lot of thought and engineering behind them. The only concern I had with the GTM kit was the spacing of the power train that has to happen. But, I have researched and put my concerns to rest over this issue as it is a moot point and does not affect drivability or functionality of the car in any form or fashion. The down-side to the GReddy kit is the known issue of manifolds cracking which can be a great headache to repair. That and the lesser quality turbos. (IHI vs. Garrett)

3. OPTIONS – As trivial as this might be, for me, I prefer having options for detail items when purchasing a kit. Over the past few years I have learned that unless a manufacturer can cater to my anal-retentiveness and provide a “one stop shop” for all that I need, I will look elsewhere. The fact that I have options with the GTM kit such as black couplers, choice of polished or powder coated piping, choice of polished or thermo-coated intercooler, and optional ceramicoated manifolds and turbo exhaust housings, all at a reasonable cost, was just one more small detail that led me to choose the GTM kit.

4. ENGINEERING – One key factor for me is longevity of the kit that I purchase. A lot of parts are static and do not wear, so with every kit I have researched, these items are seemingly equal when it comes to predicted life-span. But, the major components – the turbos – are what interested me the most and certainly, in this regard, not all are created equal. The GTM kit uses Garrett ball-bearing, water-cooled turbos while the GReddy kit uses journal bearing, oil-cooled turbos. Given that the 370Z is plagued by oil temperature issues, one would think that the oil-cooled turbos would not be a considerable option. GReddy seemingly addresses this with a larger capacity oil pan and optional oil cooler, but I was (am) not convinced this would alleviate the faster degradation of the turbos that will certainly happen without these items.

So now that I had decided what type and which kit, I needed to decide what support mods to purchase. In the past I went all out and bought the best of everything because A) I was told it was what I needed and B) I fell for the hype over particular brands and parts. This time, I decided to approach things a bit differently. I wanted to see what I could actually achieve safely while being cost conscious. So, I spoke with quite a number of tuners/shop owners/vendors/manufacturers and came to the general consensus that for my goals I didn’t need to get fancy. An oil-cooler for the hot GA days, a nice open exhaust including test pipes, larger injectors, an upgraded fuel pump and some colder plugs were all that I needed. I opted to add an AFR gauge, boost gauge, powder-coated piping, thermo-coated intercooler and ceramicoated exhaust manifolds and hot side turbine housings/flanges.

This leads me to the ‘who’ and ‘where’ portion of my decision. In the past I have relied on one company to do all of my work. Over the years I have trusted the shop owner’s advice implicitly. But after a few conversations with him and feeling that I was being steered towards an option that I didn’t feel comfortable with (GReddy kit), I decided to venture out and directly to the source of the kit I had chosen.

After speaking with Sam I came away with the impression that he really knows his stuff and that my car would be in excellent hands. All of my questions, concerns and thoughts were addressed in a thorough and detailed manner. I could tell that he is a busy guy as we were constantly interrupted by his workers asking him questions or clients walking in the door, but never once did he lose train of thought or overlook any of my inquiries. This made me very comfortable as I am an extreme stickler for detail and I could see the same in Sam, even while under duress. He was also very open and took no offense to my probing questions. His level of transparency satisfied my need to know exactly what I was getting myself into and who I would be spending my hard-earned money with.

So this will be my official “build thread”. Any and all questions are welcome. Here are a few pictures to start as well as a video of the first tuning session. For those of you who want to see more of GTM and the shop, click on the second video link. Enjoy!




Notice 479whp on 7psi springs! 8.6psi yielded 518whp which is well over my goal of 450-475whp!




JB-370z 05-02-2010 05:04 PM

All I can say is wow! I cannot wait to get mine to Sam, crossing my fingers for early July....Stage 2. Your car is RE-DIC-U-LOS..!!!!

Black370ZTT 05-02-2010 05:05 PM

Sex...congrats :tiphat:

theDreamer 05-02-2010 05:11 PM

Looks like a great build and very clean.

RCZ 05-02-2010 05:14 PM

Wow very nice man, very very nice car.

Congrats, looks like its making great power.

Dr.Awkward 05-02-2010 05:15 PM

I don't mean to pry into your finances but just so the rest of us know, how much money are we looking at to get our cars to where you are at?

#452-LE 05-02-2010 05:18 PM

Very nice work.

JB-370z 05-02-2010 05:20 PM

At least 15K....

theDreamer 05-02-2010 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JB-370z (Post 522191)
At least 15K....

Sounds about right, I think the kit is around 10, then you have install and some supporting mods.

stormcrow 05-02-2010 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr.Awkward (Post 522188)
I don't mean to pry into your finances but just so the rest of us know, how much money are we looking at to get our cars to where you are at?

If you follow my exact path with the GReddy TI-C TT exhaust, Defi AFR gauge, Innovate wideband, GTM 2.5" test pipes, HKS EVC6, and other incidentals (powdercoating, thermocoating, etc.) you will walk away with around 18k invested. It can go up or down depending on what you desire.

jperez84 05-02-2010 05:42 PM

Congrats, car looks awesome. Mine is there now and hopefully it will be completed soon. I can't wait to get it back.

Red370 05-02-2010 05:53 PM

great build, what are your street driving impressions?

nuTinmuch 05-02-2010 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stormcrow (Post 522205)
If you follow my exact path with the GReddy TI-C TT exhaust, Defi AFR gauge, Innovate wideband, GTM 2.5" test pipes, HKS EVC6, and other incidentals (powdercoating, thermocoating, etc.) you will walk away with around 18k invested. It can go up or down depending on what you desire.

I remember reading in another thread that you owned the GT-R in your avatar. Was the TT Nismo your plan all along? That and how does it compare? Obviously two different beasts, but I'm still curious.

Also I don't have $18,000 -- but I do have $18 -- good enough for a ride? :p

ArtVandaleigh 05-02-2010 06:08 PM

Awesome setup!

DannyGT 05-02-2010 06:30 PM

Storm, great job man! Do NOT touch a thing on that car. As it stands - thats my favorite car out here so far. The stance, the power, the blacked out parts, it just flows to well! Congrats man!

stormcrow 05-02-2010 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red370 (Post 522226)
great build, what are your street driving impressions?

Still have yet to take delivery of the car. Sam still has a couple of tuning tweaks to make and I have added a bit of other parts to the build list at the last moment. Nothing motor/powertrain wise...just some sway bars and other incidentals.

Quote:

Originally Posted by nuTinmuch (Post 522235)
I remember reading in another thread that you owned the GT-R in your avatar. Was the TT Nismo your plan all along? That and how does it compare? Obviously two different beasts, but I'm still curious.

Also I don't have $18,000 -- but I do have $18 -- good enough for a ride? :p

The GT-R was a great car, but I quickly tired of the disconnect caused by the paddle shifters. Remember, I drive solely on the street and the GT-R leaves a bit to be desired there. The 370Z Nismo was more of an afterthought when I began to entertain other avenues. I came from a fully built 350Z TT and wanted something similar, but with less cost and greater reliability.

I can't compare the GT-R to the 370Z TT'ed as I have not yet gotten the car back from Sam...but, I can say that even N/A, the 370Z has more of a "sports car" feel and I have more of a connection with the car. I am anxious to see what the TT version of the 370Z feels like. :)

As far as rides go, they are free! ;)

Deslin 05-02-2010 06:42 PM

Very very nice!

The second pic is :excited:

Good luck with it.

SE 05-02-2010 06:42 PM

Did they go with Uprev or Cobb for the tuning? I'm planning on tuning my Nismo also but I don't know if anyones successfully tuned the Nismo ECU yet. Yours could be the first.

stormcrow 05-02-2010 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DannyGT (Post 522259)
Storm, great job man! Do NOT touch a thing on that car. As it stands - thats my favorite car out here so far. The stance, the power, the blacked out parts, it just flows to well! Congrats man!

Thanks, man. I did think about using matte black vinyl under the rear apron to cover just above the exhaust. Do you think that would look better? Worse?

stormcrow 05-02-2010 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by weeeee (Post 522273)
Did they go with Uprev or Cobb for the tuning? I'm planning on tuning my Nismo also but I don't know if anyones successfully tuned the Nismo ECU yet. Yours could be the first.

Sam is using the Uprev software. This will be the first Nismo ECU tuned that I am aware of. There is a definite difference in the Nismo ECU and the standard 370 ECU. I will let Sam give up all of those details when he is ready.

NYBladeZ 05-02-2010 07:40 PM

Awesome congratulations! Quick question though, if you don't plan on going more than 475-500whp then why spend the extra money on the TT and not go SC?

Red370 05-02-2010 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NYBladeZ (Post 522335)
Awesome congratulations! Quick question though, if you don't plan on going more than 475-500whp then why spend the extra money on the TT and not go SC?

I believe he said that he doesnt like the linnear power of the supercharger and prefers the rush of power that turbo's deliver.

JB-370z 05-02-2010 07:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stormcrow (Post 522278)
Sam is using the Uprev software. This will be the first Nismo ECU tuned that I am aware of. There is a definite difference in the Nismo ECU and the standard 370 ECU. I will let Sam give up all of those details when he is ready.

Wow I did not know that. I knew the software had to be a little diff to accommodate the diff physical components. But is the actual hardware of the ecu on the nismo diff?

speedoflife 05-02-2010 07:58 PM

Wow... Nice build and great car man! Hmmmm I'll be going right by Alpharetta this summer sometime... I'm very, very tempted to throw down that $18 for a ride.

Kastley85891 05-02-2010 08:01 PM

Very well done on that project, its about as perfect as I would want it.

AndyZ 05-02-2010 08:19 PM

I went to the gtm saw your car. My cars about done too
same stage2 setup.


Your car looked very clean

Viera 05-02-2010 08:20 PM

Oh my...... that is the sickest Z34 yet.... Awesome job, bro. I would like to see this baby sometime.

SE 05-02-2010 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JB-370z (Post 522360)
Wow I did not know that. I knew the software had to be a little diff to accommodate the diff physical components. But is the actual hardware of the ecu on the nismo diff?

The Nismo ECU is just a reflashed ECU. Timing fuel and VVT are a little different from stock, but people are encountering issues (specifically with Cobb ap). Different ECUs sometimes don't take the same cracks. Like some ECUsarent compatible while some are. The Nismo ECU I don't think has been cracked by any other tuner, which is why I am interested. SAM, if you could shed some light on this I am interested in your findings.

DannyGT 05-02-2010 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stormcrow (Post 522278)
Sam is using the Uprev software. This will be the first Nismo ECU tuned that I am aware of. There is a definite difference in the Nismo ECU and the standard 370 ECU. I will let Sam give up all of those details when he is ready.

I'm testing a new PC and installing Photoshop CS5 right now. I will pshop that and see how it looks!

Kastley85891 05-02-2010 08:36 PM

I had a NISMO rom (it was re tagged to correct format) to load on my AP ready 370z sport, it made no difference to butt dyno, also no difference on the same dyno pulls in comparo from what I heard.
The rom i.d. is different so you cannot flash a non NISMO with a NISMO etc but physically the tables are the same. Not sure if the ECU changes are just Nissan hype. I got my information and rom from the horses mouth so to speak.
SAM I to would be interested to see how you and the UPREV software interprits this, I can only speak for my own experiences with AP.

LateralG'z 05-02-2010 08:50 PM

bad ***, will have to make a whole bunch of road clips & vids

Zeester 05-02-2010 08:57 PM

Definately the nicest Nismo Z ive ever seen... What color are those wheels painted/powder coated ??

Looks amazing !

terbo 05-02-2010 09:04 PM

Freaking sexy! I so very much want to do this to my car.

stormcrow 05-02-2010 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JB-370z (Post 522360)
Wow I did not know that. I knew the software had to be a little diff to accommodate the diff physical components. But is the actual hardware of the ecu on the nismo diff?

There is no physical difference, just a difference in programming.


Quote:

Originally Posted by speedoflife (Post 522362)
Wow... Nice build and great car man! Hmmmm I'll be going right by Alpharetta this summer sometime... I'm very, very tempted to throw down that $18 for a ride.

Rides are free! :)


Quote:

Originally Posted by Viera (Post 522402)
Oh my...... that is the sickest Z34 yet.... Awesome job, bro. I would like to see this baby sometime.

Thanks, man. You are certainly more than welcome to check it out. As soon as it's back from SoCal, we can meet up. It would be nice to get some of the Z34 guys together around here!


Quote:

Originally Posted by DannyGT (Post 522433)
I'm testing a new PC and installing Photoshop CS5 right now. I will pshop that and see how it looks!

I appreciate it! I would love to see a pshop!


Quote:

Originally Posted by Kastley85891 (Post 522439)
I had a NISMO rom (it was re tagged to correct format) to load on my AP ready 370z sport, it made no difference to butt dyno, also no difference on the same dyno pulls in comparo from what I heard.
The rom i.d. is different so you cannot flash a non NISMO with a NISMO etc but physically the tables are the same. Not sure if the ECU changes are just Nissan hype. I got my information and rom from the horses mouth so to speak.
SAM I to would be interested to see how you and the UPREV software interprits this, I can only speak for my own experiences with AP.

Actually, there are differences in the tables. Maybe I am getting ahead of Sam here by saying that, so I will let Sam clarify. But, there are distinguishable differences.


Quote:

Originally Posted by LateralG'z (Post 522450)
bad ***, will have to make a whole bunch of road clips & vids

Funny that you mention it...Sam is out punishing my car right now! :icon17: He just called asking "How hard can I drive your car?" I told him do what it takes to make a good vid. :tup:


Quote:

Originally Posted by Zeester (Post 522458)
Definately the nicest Nismo Z ive ever seen... What color are those wheels painted/powder coated ??

Looks amazing !


The wheels are painted Nissan color code K11. It's nearly identical to the '09 GT-R wheel color. The inside of the headlights, door handles and emblems are painted this color, as well.

Thanks for the compliments guys!

Viera 05-02-2010 10:04 PM

^Most definitely.

FuszNissan 05-02-2010 10:13 PM

Welcome to the club! Looks very clean love it!

de_dust 05-02-2010 10:15 PM

how does it feel getting compliments over comments bashing? great job, the results speaks volumes about the effort you put in figuring what you wanted/need... :tup:

FuszNissan 05-02-2010 10:21 PM

Any tranny upgrades?

stormcrow 05-02-2010 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by de_dust (Post 522524)
how does it feel getting compliments over comments bashing? great job, the results speaks volumes about the effort you put in figuring what you wanted/need... :tup:

I don't know if I like it! Even RCZ put forth a compliment! Next thing you know, 370ZSteve will say something nice...kinda creepy! *haha* I kid, I kid. I hope others can learn a bit from my pioneering with the Nismo.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FuszNissan (Post 522532)
Any tranny upgrades?

None...yet. I plan on smoking the OEM clutch before replacement. It is sort of a test to see what OEM parts will hold up and for how long. I see an LSD and possibly upgraded axels in the future...as well as a clutch.

Kastley85891 05-02-2010 10:38 PM

STORMCROW - maybe in UPREV it shows table differences, I just opened up both roms in acccesstuner race and they are identical in table format.
Would like to get Sams input on the UPREV user end experience as all informative going forward.

I am not dissing your comment, I do not have a NISMO rom (in UR Format) to openly compare my self with the UPREV tuning suite (only ptm's) so cannot comment on there layout ;-)

I digress though, your ride is awesome, I am sick with envy


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