Forged Perfomance and my G37 TT build

W.O.W. 370Z · 04-09-2010, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by stormcrow

You see that as a discrepancy and I read it as someone who A) doesn't speak English well and probably didn't represent the situation properly and B)didn't want to risk another OEM block. Always differing points of view.

I have *now* heard both sides of this story. Until today I had only heard Sharif's side. I can honestly say that his side doesn't add up. Juan's does. The pictures do not lie. Me? No dog in this fight, either. But, I am always going to speak up when their is obvious Vendor bias.
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No vendor bias as there has never been any money exchanged between Forged and myself. I am speaking to Forged's reputation from the countless satisfied customers. Like I said, a simple google search or breeze through my350z.

I have never had a windshield sticker with Forged's name on it...cough cough

"it means that, like me, he's a rolling free advertisement for Forged Peformance... but, since my car is becoming so well known, i'm going to start renting windshield space...

HEAR THAT, sharif!? i need some free labour or i'm going back to the "clean" look! *lol*"

370Zsteve · 04-09-2010, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by W.O.W. 370Z

No vendor bias as there has never been any money exchanged between Forged and myself. I am speaking to Forged's reputation from the countless satisfied customers. Like I said, a simple google search or breeze through my350z.

best to just sit back wait for Forged to respond, and please stop feeding the troll.

vipor · 04-09-2010, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

best to just sit back wait for Forged to respond, and please stop feeding the troll.

Thanks for pointing it out smartie pants! lol

Sharif@Forged · 04-09-2010, 08:32 PM

This will likely be my only post on this matter.

Forged Performance has been in business for over 5 years, and we literally work on about 400 cars each year and have thousands of satisfied customers. We are here 6 days a week working and managing 30-40 project cars at a time with the 11 employees on the payroll. We've performed everything from simple bolt on's, to full race car prep and custom fabrication. Our consistent track record is well noted on various forums we have always been one of the leading Nissan tuning shops on the country. I've personally tuned several hundreds of Nissan's with a pattern of safety and reliability.

That said, our shop is no different from many others in that we aren't perfect, and we do make mistakes. The people that worked on this customer's car were terminated long ago, and no longer work here. In fact, we haven't worked on this car for well over a year. Clearly, the pictures posted are not representative of the type of work we perform on a daily basis, and there is no excuse for it.

Now lets talk about the false and misleading claims that the owner of the car has posted:

1) On the original installation, the engine did not BLOW-UP on the dyno from tuning. During the initial baseline tuning process I made less than 10 dyno pulls on the car, and most of them were not even to redline. At this point, everything appeared normal. However, after an initial brief road test a light ticking noise was heard. This ticking noise was later determined to be caused by 5 rods with the smallest of bends to them. If you can tell me how rods become laterally wavy from some light tuning, I would love to hear it.

Engine components show zero signs of detonation, lean condition, heat, or other issues that could be attributed to improper tuning:

2) Once it was determined that the rods were bad, the customer had the choice of having us build him a new OEM block, or our built S1 Shortblock. He was not forced to switch to a built block. He chose our S1 Shortblock and paid for parts ONLY. All of the thousands of dollars of labor were covered by Forged Performance. All this customer had to give us was some time to complete the project.

3) The customer couldn't wait for his car to be finished, so instead he came into our shop and illegally removed the car from our lot without paying his $12,000 outstanding balance. I called 911 and the police arrived while I was on the phone with the customer begging him to bring the car back. I agreed not to press charges.

4) The damage to his vehicle while in our custody is unquestionably our responsibility and the customer was informed of this damage immediately. The tail light and bumper needed to be replaced and repainted. It always has been, and we paid for the repairs without any question. We never once suggested junkyard parts.

I am still at a loss as to why this person waited for over a year to make this thread. When the customer took possession of his vehicle from GTM, he drove it to my shop and we had a good conversation about the whole situation. At that point, we shook hands and looked eye to eye and agreed that I would take care of a portion of the GTM bill, and cut him a check for the damages. If there were still some hard feelings, I didn't sense that.

In fact, about 4 months ago, the customer called and spoke to Scott Siegel one of our tuners here, asking how much it would cost for a methanol kit and retune of his FCON.

So rather than speculate on the purpose of this thread, I will close by saying that I've spent the better part of a half decade building some of the best Nissan's in the country and building this business from the ground up. I started with myself and one employee, and we've now grown to 11 employees. Our business has quadrupled over the years and it's because we offer a lot to our customers. As we've gotten bigger, we've also become a bigger target and many people are just waiting to pounce if they ever see a horror story about our shop.

We aren't perfect obviously, and there have been plenty of bumps, poor hires, and mistakes made along the way. If you think there is another shop in the country that is perfect, you should think again. But under no circumstances have I ever turned my back on a problem, or a customer, when an issue presents itself. I've spent thousands of MY own dollars fixing issues that weren't even our fault! This business may seem like it's just fun and in many ways it is. But it's also the sole source of income for 11 households, and puts food on tables, pays mortgages and puts kids through school. So we will defend our business vigorously, while striving to get better each day at what we do.

I'm sorry I won't be able to go back and forth on this thread. I have advised my sales guys to stay out as well since they are not involved in this matter. I am still at the shop working and tuning, and will probably be here until midnight, or until the cops kick us out for making too much noise on the dyno.

370Zsteve · 04-09-2010, 08:36 PM

^^^ good enough for me, Sharif! I knew I smelled fish!

In before the lock.

stormcrow · 04-09-2010, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by W.O.W. 370Z

No vendor bias as there has never been any money exchanged between Forged and myself. I am speaking to Forged's reputation from the countless satisfied customers. Like I said, a simple google search or breeze through my350z.

I have never had a windshield sticker with Forged's name on it...cough cough

"it means that, like me, he's a rolling free advertisement for Forged Peformance... but, since my car is becoming so well known, i'm going to start renting windshield space...

HEAR THAT, sharif!? i need some free labour or i'm going back to the "clean" look! *lol*"

The comment re: vendor bias wasn't directed at you. And, yes, as you well know, I was a big FP supporter as well as a good friend of Sharif's - which means, I know Sharif's side of all the stories. I know the good, the bad and the ugly. It also means that it took a LOT of evidence and comparing stories (such as you were doing) for me to come to the conclusions that I have.

Trust me when I say that there was no one who wanted to believe none of this was the truth more than I.

DannyGT · 04-09-2010, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by stormcrow

The comment re: vendor bias wasn't directed at you. And, yes, as you well know, I was a big FP supporter as well as a good friend of Sharif's - which means, I know Sharif's side of all the stories. I know the good, the bad and the ugly. It also means that it took a LOT of evidence and comparing stories (such as you were doing) for me to come to the conclusions that I have.

Trust me when I say that there was no one who wanted to believe none of this was the truth more than I.

Your cool with me bro. I know alot of people hate, but I kinda like your assholeness. You back it up with facts, and strong knowledge on forced induction. I can respect that!

Back to the story - yes this horrible. Either way, if any of those images were a result of FP's install work, nothing more can be said except, damn!...

I really want to believe its not true and I wait for they're response...

stormcrow · 04-09-2010, 07:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DannyGT

Your cool with me bro. I know alot of people hate, but I kinda like your assholeness. You back it up with facts, and strong knowledge on forced induction. I can respect that!

Back to the story - yes this horrible. Either way, if any of those images were a result of FP's install work, nothing more can be said except, damn!...

I really want to believe its not true and I wait for they're response...

Thanks...I think?

Seriously, though, I am not trying to come off on this forum as an a-hole. I have just been in this arena for far too long to sit back and watch those who haven't get snowed by vendors and their hype. I was once in their position and I got burned a few times. If it means taking some lumps by the fanbois in the process, so be it. I'm thick-skinned and know that eventually they will be thankful for the information I provide.

And I can categorically say that those pictures are the real deal and that was FP's work. Even Sharif will be admitting to this when he posts, I'm sure. No way he would/could deny it.

DannyGT · 04-09-2010, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by stormcrow

Thanks...I think?

Seriously, though, I am not trying to come off on this forum as an a-hole. I have just been in this arena for far too long to sit back and watch those who haven't get snowed by vendors and their hype. I was once in their position and I got burned a few times. If it means taking some lumps by the fanbois in the process, so be it. I'm thick-skinned and know that eventually they will be thankful for the information I provide.

And I can categorically say that those pictures are the real deal and that was FP's work. Even Sharif will be admitting to this when he posts, I'm sure. No way he would/could deny it.

I kidd I kidd ofcoarse. Its clear that you have experience, and I just wanted to point out that its evident in your posts. Even if some may hate or think your being to fanboy-ish, you have stayed true to the nature of your posts and I just like brute honesty.

04-09-2010, 08:32 PM	#4 (permalink)
Sharif@Forged The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Marietta, GA Posts: 840 Drives: 2009 GT-R, 2010 370Z Rep Power: 19	This will likely be my only post on this matter. Forged Performance has been in business for over 5 years, and we literally work on about 400 cars each year and have thousands of satisfied customers. We are here 6 days a week working and managing 30-40 project cars at a time with the 11 employees on the payroll. We've performed everything from simple bolt on's, to full race car prep and custom fabrication. Our consistent track record is well noted on various forums we have always been one of the leading Nissan tuning shops on the country. I've personally tuned several hundreds of Nissan's with a pattern of safety and reliability. That said, our shop is no different from many others in that we aren't perfect, and we do make mistakes. The people that worked on this customer's car were terminated long ago, and no longer work here. In fact, we haven't worked on this car for well over a year. Clearly, the pictures posted are not representative of the type of work we perform on a daily basis, and there is no excuse for it. Now lets talk about the false and misleading claims that the owner of the car has posted: 1) On the original installation, the engine did not BLOW-UP on the dyno from tuning. During the initial baseline tuning process I made less than 10 dyno pulls on the car, and most of them were not even to redline. At this point, everything appeared normal. However, after an initial brief road test a light ticking noise was heard. This ticking noise was later determined to be caused by 5 rods with the smallest of bends to them. If you can tell me how rods become laterally wavy from some light tuning, I would love to hear it. Engine components show zero signs of detonation, lean condition, heat, or other issues that could be attributed to improper tuning: 2) Once it was determined that the rods were bad, the customer had the choice of having us build him a new OEM block, or our built S1 Shortblock. He was not forced to switch to a built block. He chose our S1 Shortblock and paid for parts ONLY. All of the thousands of dollars of labor were covered by Forged Performance. All this customer had to give us was some time to complete the project. 3) The customer couldn't wait for his car to be finished, so instead he came into our shop and illegally removed the car from our lot without paying his $12,000 outstanding balance. I called 911 and the police arrived while I was on the phone with the customer begging him to bring the car back. I agreed not to press charges. 4) The damage to his vehicle while in our custody is unquestionably our responsibility and the customer was informed of this damage immediately. The tail light and bumper needed to be replaced and repainted. It always has been, and we paid for the repairs without any question. We never once suggested junkyard parts. I am still at a loss as to why this person waited for over a year to make this thread. When the customer took possession of his vehicle from GTM, he drove it to my shop and we had a good conversation about the whole situation. At that point, we shook hands and looked eye to eye and agreed that I would take care of a portion of the GTM bill, and cut him a check for the damages. If there were still some hard feelings, I didn't sense that. In fact, about 4 months ago, the customer called and spoke to Scott Siegel one of our tuners here, asking how much it would cost for a methanol kit and retune of his FCON. So rather than speculate on the purpose of this thread, I will close by saying that I've spent the better part of a half decade building some of the best Nissan's in the country and building this business from the ground up. I started with myself and one employee, and we've now grown to 11 employees. Our business has quadrupled over the years and it's because we offer a lot to our customers. As we've gotten bigger, we've also become a bigger target and many people are just waiting to pounce if they ever see a horror story about our shop. We aren't perfect obviously, and there have been plenty of bumps, poor hires, and mistakes made along the way. If you think there is another shop in the country that is perfect, you should think again. But under no circumstances have I ever turned my back on a problem, or a customer, when an issue presents itself. I've spent thousands of MY own dollars fixing issues that weren't even our fault! This business may seem like it's just fun and in many ways it is. But it's also the sole source of income for 11 households, and puts food on tables, pays mortgages and puts kids through school. So we will defend our business vigorously, while striving to get better each day at what we do. I'm sorry I won't be able to go back and forth on this thread. I have advised my sales guys to stay out as well since they are not involved in this matter. I am still at the shop working and tuning, and will probably be here until midnight, or until the cops kick us out for making too much noise on the dyno. __________________ Sharif@Forgedperformance.com General Manager/Certified Tuner/NASA-PCA-BMWCAA Instructor JRZ RS1's Available NOW...PM me Cobb ProTuner, Uprev ECU Flash, FCON Vpro, Haltech, Motec Certified

04-09-2010, 08:36 PM	#5 (permalink)
370Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gold Coast CT Posts: 10,599 Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S. Rep Power: 44	^^^ good enough for me, Sharif! I knew I smelled fish! In before the lock. __________________ SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS.

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