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Old 10-25-2010, 10:40 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Old 10-26-2010, 09:33 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Another person with no problems on his s/c, people need to STOP protecting GTM so much. I mean it is clear, that the problems werent design flawed, apparently like the GTM pipe as some are saying, its the tune.

I dont know, I think both companies are great, but as a vendor and a sales guy in general, Stillen is doing the best they can. People keep knocking it, but like most have said, GTM isnt really out their producing numbers they claim. Their is no perfect kit yet, though Stillen seems to be coming out ahead on this one now that issues have been addressed.

Good to see Stillen posting again, I personally am glad to see you guys back throwing in the comments here and there.
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Old 10-26-2010, 10:16 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Dreamer, I would understand you giving a comment like that, being the GTM fan boy you are. I have seen your posts, at least I respect both companies. You just are one that has been sucked into all the rave, so its fine.

You are entitled to your opinion, but do not give a comment to me like that.
Wow, really?
Because I have not been on both sides here at all? Geez, you are blinded by stupidity and assumptions. I am really tired of this BS that is spotted in both threads. I could careless who has a better unit or who 'wins or loses' in this imaginary game on the internet. I picked the company because of what I wanted, but when people go around spouting wrong information, it is the reason I use the icon for facepalm.

You might want to go look at my posts again, I am by far the most neutral in any of these threads even with the ownership of a GTM unit. I really do hope Stillen pulls this through, competition is better all around and only one option can create even more problems (companies get lazy, ignore customers, etc.).

You want to attack me go ahead, but be very careful before you make a reply and re-read your own post even and as it is filled with some wrong information. Also, as a vendor I respect what you bring to this community, but maybe you should take look into staying neutral or not replying on topics like this.

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Another person with no problems on his s/c, people need to STOP protecting GTM so much. I mean it is clear, that the problems werent design flawed, apparently like the GTM pipe as some are saying, its the tune.

I dont know, I think both companies are great, but as a vendor and a sales guy in general, Stillen is doing the best they can. People keep knocking it, but like most have said, GTM isnt really out their producing numbers they claim. Their is no perfect kit yet, though Stillen seems to be coming out ahead on this one now that issues have been addressed.

Good to see Stillen posting again, I personally am glad to see you guys back throwing in the comments here and there.
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Wow, really?
Because I have not been on both sides here at all? Geez, you are blinded by stupidity and assumptions. I am really tired of this BS that is spotted in both threads. I could careless who has a better unit or who 'wins or loses' in this imaginary game on the internet. I picked the company because of what I wanted, but when people go around spouting wrong information, it is the reason I use the icon for facepalm.

You might want to go look at my posts again, I am by far the most neutral in any of these threads even with the ownership of a GTM unit. I really do hope Stillen pulls this through, competition is better all around and only one option can create even more problems (companies get lazy, ignore customers, etc.).

You want to attack me go ahead, but be very careful before you make a reply and re-read your own post even and as it is filled with some wrong information. Also, as a vendor I respect what you bring to this community, but maybe you should take look into staying neutral or not replying on topics like this.

Here I will help you out:
I will keep calm here, but what did I say was wrong? That GTM DOESNT HAVE A PIPE that needs to be modified, or that STILLEN DOESNT have an issue with their tune?

I am sorry, maybe you should go back and read what is going on on the forums.
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Old 10-26-2010, 02:23 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Wow, really?
Because I have not been on both sides here at all? Geez, you are blinded by stupidity and assumptions. I am really tired of this BS that is spotted in both threads...

...You want to attack me go ahead, but be very careful before you make a reply and re-read your own post even and as it is filled with some wrong information...

....but maybe you should take look into staying neutral or not replying on topics like this.
What stupidity and assuptions are you claiming that Chris is blinded by? He seems to be very neutral and as a vendor (and business man) it's in his vested interest to have good relationships with both companies. I've actually been surprised by some of his criticisms of Stillen because he didn't pull any punches. For you to bash Chris because he is now praising Stillen for adressing the issues that he previously complained about is unreasonable.
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Old 10-26-2010, 01:32 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Another person with no problems on his s/c, people need to STOP protecting GTM so much. I mean it is clear, that the problems werent design flawed, apparently like the GTM pipe as some are saying, its the tune.

I dont know, I think both companies are great, but as a vendor and a sales guy in general, Stillen is doing the best they can. People keep knocking it, but like most have said, GTM isnt really oEric Stoltzut their producing numbers they claim. Their is no perfect kit yet, though Stillen seems to be coming out ahead on this one now that issues have been addressed.

Good to see Stillen posting again, I personally am glad to see you guys back throwing in the comments here and there.
How mis-informed are you? How about this...Dont take my word, why dont you just call GTM and have a conversation with Sam. I think then you would quickly realize who's "ahead". You say you like both companies...go ahead, communicate with them and see first hand what they are like to deal with...

Having an issue where the casting company adds to much material and the time to goto market is delayed due to having to hone/extrude the pipe is WAY less of an issue than the pinging/cold/hotstart/drivability problems the Stillen kit has/had...I would take a delay of part over tuning disasters any day of the week.
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How mis-informed are you? How about this...Dont take my word, why dont you just call GTM and have a conversation with Sam. I think then you would quickly realize who's "ahead". You say you like both companies...go ahead, communicate with them and see first hand what they are like to deal with...

Having an issue where the casting company adds to much material and the time to goto market is delayed due to having to hone/extrude the pipe is WAY less of an issue than the pinging/cold/hotstart/drivability problems the Stillen kit has/had...I would take a delay of part over tuning disasters any day of the week.

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How mis-informed are you? How about this...Dont take my word, why dont you just call GTM and have a conversation with Sam. I think then you would quickly realize who's "ahead". You say you like both companies...go ahead, communicate with them and see first hand what they are like to deal with...

Having an issue where the casting company adds to much material and the time to goto market is delayed due to having to hone/extrude the pipe is WAY less of an issue than the pinging/cold/hotstart/drivability problems the Stillen kit has/had...I would take a delay of part over tuning disasters any day of the week.
I have never said anything bad about GTM, but you just admitted it right now. They do have an issue with the pipe, but are fixing it. Also so you know since I guess you havent read, GTM was having an issue with Hot start also, so I think the misinformed person is yourself.
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How mis-informed are you? How about this...Dont take my word, why dont you just call GTM and have a conversation with Sam. I think then you would quickly realize who's "ahead"....

Having an issue where the casting company adds to much material and the time to goto market is delayed due to having to hone/extrude the pipe is WAY less of an issue than the pinging/cold/hotstart/drivability problems the Stillen kit has/had...I would take a delay of part over tuning disasters any day of the week.
Talking to a company's chief promoter is the easiest way to become biased. Looking at all of the data is the way to make the most accurate and unbiased assessment of the situation. This is what Chris is trying to do. Stating that he is misinformed is insulting.

If you want to call things like difficult hot starts a "tuning disaster", then then GTM has a tuning disaster as well. The tuning problems that I initially had with my car were not issues that could lead to engine damage or failure. Those issues were fixed long ago. My car has been running perfectly since September. GTM has had a problem getting their kit to market. Once they start getting more cars on the road like Stillen has, other problems - like GTM's hot start issue - are going to show up... Just like they did with Stillen. Then GTM will go back and fix those issues, just like Stillen did. GTM's mass deployment of the kit and the surfacing of problems still has not happened. They have two cars on the road (shumby and dreamer)? Stillen went through that process in June. Implying that GTM is "ahead" of Stillen is simply not accurate.
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