When any shop no matter who it is releases a kit for a certain price $X yet there are mandatory upgrades required costing $Y which are not inlcuded within the kit, it almost seems to me to be either false or misleading advertising in order to claim a low price on their kit.

Granted there are experienced people out there who would prefer to source their own upgrades. But for the average "Joe", why not just be up front and honest about the whole thing and provide an all encompassing price of $Z ($X + $Y)?

Again this is directed at all suppliers. :shakes head:

Lame kit, too much lag

Lag on a SC system? That's a first

Maybe you just don't understand

Enlighten us then

Yea am in for the enlightn us, I have this kit made good power All tho my SC failed and car is down. :(

Didnt have time to read this whole thing but tomnavone caught my eye, Did he really return his kit becasue he only made 397hp and 293lb/toque ( WHP) On their tune,, REALLY MAN I made 342 WHP 260WTQ on their tune, 42 WHP &20 WTRQ over my IE #'s.. Custom tune netted 412 WHP and 300 WHTQ, Those are their advertised 515HP, No wonder they fought with him on this, What did he think he was going to make 500WHP

This is a solid kit from what we have seen. 420whp on a mustang dyno on 9PSI. Made about 330ft/lbs of torque. Had a nice powerband really. I applaud them for taking a kit back just because the customer wasn't happy with dyno numbers. You could have just told him to go run on a dynojet! haha.

Thanks,
Alex Goodwin
AlexG@motionlabtuning.com

I've had nothing but problems with my stillen kit, the kit heat soaks so fast youll have 460 whp when u start it up, drive for a few mins in 80 degree + weather and the kit only puts out 370whp. Im fed up with the kit aswell as the car.
The overall design is weak, intake tubes, MAF postion.. The cooling system is a JOKE.
I was thinking about upgrading the cooling, new res. new piping, new intercooler.
upgrade the pulley and impeller, and MAF sensors. But why? this stuff should of been done in the R&D .
Im taking the kit out next week and replacing with a single turbo set up.
And ill never look back at stillen, for ANYTHING.
Poor design.
Thought id add, not to talk down on anyone that has stillen kit, If its working for you.. all the power to you.

Where is RCZ when you need him to talk up Stillen, and tell us how we are a bunch of idiots that know nothing. Wait he sold his too... LOL

^Haha, the stirring begins.

Heat soak is a problem with the "other" kit as well, of course... would be interesting to see some data on this

Dumb question. How are you planning to up grade the intercooler?

I am the one that bought RCZ's kit and I have not had any problems except for the crappy tune I received from WPB. Otherwise the kit does exactly what it claims to do. Granted once the engine gets heatsoaked all kits begin to loose their efficiency. That is the nature of the beast. Maybe some more than others but each car is different as well. Know as far as being able to combat this issue one needs to ensure a colder charge is sent into the engine. One theory I have is to use the current Air to water setup stillen has and add a Air to Air intercooler prior to the supercharger to give a duel cooling effect so in essance having a cooling effect before and after should lower the operating temperature as a whole.

Overall I am very pleased with the kit and understand its potential and limitations.

I'm not seeing this with my Stillen kit? It rocks!