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Spooler 11-04-2019 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Gray Goose (Post 3887311)
Even the NISMO suspension? It was sooooooo stiff!

That's what I had too. My Aragosta coilovers are better. I may have to play with different springs and settings.

Gray Goose 11-04-2019 01:24 PM

I am about .5" less than stock ride height since my corner balance and my suspension is actual pretty loose now compared to the NISMO suspension.

I am wondering if pulling the rear sway bar would help any...

Spooler 11-04-2019 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3887312)
Ive never tried the NISMO stuff but its if any stiffer than standard issue 370z parts I would get some base model ones. I bet you can score it all for a couple hundred bucks since almost everyone on here changes it out.

They are stiffer, 9 - 9.5kg/mm on the rear and the shocks are horribly over damped.

Gray Goose 11-04-2019 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3887315)
They are stiffer, 9 - 9.5kg/mm on the rear and the shocks are horribly over damped.

right! feel like a go kart :shakes head:

Spooler 11-04-2019 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Gray Goose (Post 3887316)
right! feel like a go kart :shakes head:

It was good, but I need my kidney's to work. LOL

Gray Goose 11-04-2019 01:28 PM

I think the -1.9 camber is killing me more than spring rate and travel right now. I might lighten up the shock rate as well (by a couple clicks) on the front and rear to get a little more transfer.

phunk 11-04-2019 01:28 PM

Rear sway bar I dont imagine making any measurable difference, I dont see how it prevents transferring weight rearward.

Getting the car to hook is going to be a compromise just like everything else. You can workaround anything and the car will complete the 1/4 mile.. but whatever you leave on the table will remain left on the table.

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Originally Posted by Gray Goose (Post 3887318)
I think the -1.9 camber is killing me more than spring rate and travel right now. I might lighten up the shock rate as well (by a couple clicks) on the front and rear to get a little more transfer.

Its not helping but I have been there and gone to 0 and while it helps a little its not all youd hope for.

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3887315)
They are stiffer, 9 - 9.5kg/mm on the rear and the shocks are horribly over damped.

Time to hit the classifieds ;)

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3887303)
Nobody wants to hear it, and almost nobody will make the change

:iagree:

Gray Goose 11-04-2019 01:53 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLHdf5GoLbQ

I had an 0.033 light and my new friend in the Supra ran a 9.022 :ugh2:

Gray Goose 11-04-2019 01:57 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8actXN6p2E

This was my last run. 12.4 @122 .....2.19 second 60 foot

redondoaveb 11-04-2019 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by phunk (Post 3887319)
Rear sway bar I dont imagine making any measurable difference, I dont see how it prevents transferring weight rearward.

Getting the car to hook is going to be a compromise just like everything else. You can workaround anything and the car will complete the 1/4 mile.. but whatever you leave on the table will remain left on the table.



Its not helping but I have been there and gone to 0 and while it helps a little its not all youd hope for.



Time to hit the classifieds ;)



:iagree:

I apologize for the thread jack. Charles, this is your old style oil pan isn't it?

Spooler 11-04-2019 02:17 PM

I will have to look up the sport rear spring rates and then buy some 7in. Swifts springs for the rear if I want to pursue this.

Spooler 11-04-2019 02:19 PM

Here they are.

OEM Stock Springs........................................... ....... ...........................FRONT: 7.5K REAR: 8.0K

OEM Nismo Springs........................................... ....... ...........................FRONT: 8.1K REAR: 9.1K

phunk 11-04-2019 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3887331)
Here they are.

OEM Stock Springs........................................... ....... ...........................FRONT: 7.5K REAR: 8.0K

OEM Nismo Springs........................................... ....... ...........................FRONT: 8.1K REAR: 9.1K

Im not a suspension guru so I am not extremely familiar with spring rates. But I do know youll want to find out if that rate is before or after the motion ratio if you intend to replace with universal springs. That detail might be obvious to someone who thinks about spring rates more often than I do.

Rusty 11-04-2019 09:13 PM

One of the things I used to play with was the dampening on the shocks when I was drag racing. On the front. Soften your rebound all the way. Stiffen your compression all the way. This will let the front jump up and hold it there. On the rear. Set both compression and rebound in the mid. Play around with the compression to set your squat. Too much squat, stiffen the compression. Too little, soften the compression.

Gray Goose 11-05-2019 03:17 PM

So, is everyone changing out the restrictor on the clutch line? as seen in this thread?

:wtf2:

www.the370z.com/engine-drivetrain/15959-370z-clutch-line-restriction.html

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phunk 11-05-2019 03:32 PM

Ive never touched that personally

Gray Goose 11-05-2019 03:37 PM

That was the only info I could find about it on the ENTIRE INTERNET !!!

:rofl2::rofl2:

Spooler 11-05-2019 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gray Goose (Post 3887491)
So, is everyone changing out the restrictor on the clutch line? as seen in this thread?

:wtf2:

www.the370z.com/engine-drivetrain/15959-370z-clutch-line-restriction.html

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Most just get a new line and delete the restrictor.

Rusty 11-05-2019 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3887526)
Most just get a new line and delete the restrictor.

Doesn't the RJM master cylinder kit runs a new stainless line from the master cylinder to the CSC?

-ZS-Carpenter 11-05-2019 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3887527)
Doesn't the RJM master cylinder kit runs a new stainless line from the master cylinder to the CSC?

https://www.rjmperformance.com/uploa...30549_orig.jpg


looks like it's just long enough to run from the factory hard line to the csc from the pic.

I wonder if that restrictor id causing my slowish 1-2nd shifts since my clutch replacement.

Gray Goose 11-05-2019 10:34 PM

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Well I got the clutch out tonight. New clutch comes in the mail tomorrow, so I will be putting it back together tomorrow and Thursday night.

Can anyone identify this old clutch?

Gray Goose 11-11-2019 09:37 AM

We got the clutch installed, Fuel pump relay installed and the SPC toe bolts installed (set the rear at -0.5 degree camber) in time for the Baton Rouge Import Face Off.

After some test passes and set up changes we go the 60 foot down to 2.1 seconds on this run, but broke something as well.

That win put us in the semi finals but we had to forfeit due to engine issues

I will update this when we figure out what we broke.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54p9tdxhhIs

hustleman222 11-11-2019 12:12 PM

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Nice meeting you yesterday dude, sorry it didn't end on a good note though.

Gray Goose 11-11-2019 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hustleman222 (Post 3888581)
Nice meeting you yesterday dude, sorry it didn't end on a good note though.

Same, we had a good time! Hopefully I will have the car back together for the next IFO at No Problem raceway. Might even be a built motor depending on the extent of the damage :inoutroflpuke:

Gray Goose 11-11-2019 07:59 PM

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Well my number 4 cylinder has oil in it. The plug is black and full of oil and the top of the piston is dark and has oil on it. The #2 and #6 plug tubes had oil in them but not inside the cylinder.
I had to order another compression tester with an M12 fitting for my plug size. That comes in Thursday night. So I will check the compression then.

Not sure what I will find when testing but #4 seems to be the problem.

Martijn_b 11-12-2019 03:17 AM

Looks like a blown piston ring. I dont know what your plans are when this is the case regarding building the block. It might be an idea not to run/turn over anymore to limit further damage and take off the oil pan for inspection for debris?

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soill370z 11-12-2019 06:47 AM

Eek, hope you can get it back going in a timely manner! What happened at the track that resulted in that? Smoke noise etc?

Gray Goose 11-12-2019 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by soill370z (Post 3888771)
Eek, hope you can get it back going in a timely manner! What happened at the track that resulted in that? Smoke noise etc?

It just started smoking on that last run, then pooring smoke out of the PCV system. No other issues.

soill370z 11-12-2019 11:21 AM

Ah i see, how much boost were you running?

Martijn_b 11-12-2019 11:35 AM

14psi on e85 he said

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Spooler 11-12-2019 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gray Goose (Post 3888817)
It just started smoking on that last run, then pooring smoke out of the PCV system. No other issues.

I heard it pop and then dump some smoke at the last shift point. I don't know if you were using flat foot shifting, hit the rev limiter, or what happened. That appears to be when the damage was done. I suspect broken ring or ring land.

Rusty 11-12-2019 01:00 PM

Broken ring or land. If the cylinder didn't score. You got lucky.

Gray Goose 11-12-2019 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3888845)
I heard it pop and then dump some smoke at the last shift point. I don't know if you were using flat foot shifting, hit the rev limiter, or what happened. That appears to be when the damage was done. I suspect broken ring or ring land.

I was using flat foot shifting and missed a gear. But it was smoking before that as well. Maybe that finished it off. :wtf2:

Not sure.....

I am starting to get skeptical of flat foot shifting and bouncing the rev limiter in general. I am thinking that is where my issue came up this weekend. I had not problems until running it hard this weekend. It seemed like i was on the rev limiter a lot trying to flat foot shift it and doing my burnouts pedal to the floor.

Gray Goose 11-12-2019 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty (Post 3888858)
Broken ring or land. If the cylinder didn't score. You got lucky.

Well if it did..... What are my options? bore, sleeve, or new block? or can you not bore these engines?

I haven't started looking into it yet. But will be starting this week.

Martijn_b 11-12-2019 01:36 PM

I think the answer is "it depends". Do you want to reliably run 14 psi, or do you want to bump that up to 18-20 psi?

I think a light engine build involves new bearings, rods, 0.020" oversize pistons with lower compression. Most weak points should be tackled for a reliable 14 psi.

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Gray Goose 11-12-2019 02:09 PM

If I have to rebuild this motor I want the ability to make it to 850-1000 HP. So what ever build get me there. I told my everyone that if I blew this motor....I wanted to hit 1,000 HP.

I will have to pay off what ever motor build we do before stretching my turbo set up to make 1,000 HP. But I want the ability to push the engine that hard in the future.

I don't mind spending the money, I just want it done right.

What are the common thoughts on this?
https://www.importpartspro.com/stage...initi-g37.html
I would be looking at rougly $5,000 worth of parts for this build. Plus machine shop work

Build a motor or buy a built motor? I have the ability to build a motor but not sure I have the shops around here to do the machine work and thinks that I do not have the tools for.

Going to need some advise and thoughts on this.

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Spooler 11-12-2019 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Gray Goose (Post 3888877)
If I have to rebuild this motor I want the ability to make it to 850-1000 HP. So what ever build get me there. I told my everyone that if I blew this motor....I wanted to hit 1,000 HP.

I will have to pay off what ever motor build we do before stretching my turbo set up to make 1,000 HP. But I want the ability to push the engine that hard in the future.

I don't mind spending the money, I just want it done right.

What are the common thoughts on this?
https://www.importpartspro.com/stage...initi-g37.html
I would be looking at rougly $5,000 worth of parts for this build. Plus machine shop work

Build a motor or buy a built motor? I have the ability to build a motor but not sure I have the shops around here to do the machine work and thinks that I do not have the tools for.

Going to need some advise and thoughts on this.

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Well, you are in a pickle. You don't have enough turbo or fuel for 1000hp. You may be able to get to around 700-750hp with what you have. You will need more fuel. IPP doesn't have the best reputation. Whatever way you go you will be in a 8-12 month wait on a built motor.

Spooler 11-12-2019 02:37 PM

I look at your selection. Very few people drop the compression to 9.5:1. You loose too much VE. Most folks go 11:1 or 10.5:1 compression. You would also need to look at going with a closed deck block if you want greater than 800hp. I would also suggest a suckerpunch oil pump upgrade or the like.

Gray Goose 11-12-2019 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooler (Post 3888878)
Well, you are in a pickle. You don't have enough turbo or fuel for 1000hp. You may be able to get to around 700-750hp with what you have. You will need more fuel. IPP doesn't have the best reputation. Whatever way you go you will be in a 8-12 month wait on a built motor.

I know I don't have the turbo set up now, that's why I said I would get to that after the engine build.

I just want the engine internals to be able to handle it when im ready.

Gray Goose 11-12-2019 02:51 PM

Is anyone selling the closed deck blocks anymore? I cant seem to find anyone.


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