Fast Intentions Stage 2 TT build by MA-Motorsports.

Hotrodz · 11-18-2021, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon

I'm going to be honest with you for a second, I have no idea what your incoherent rant is about because it just flat out makes no sense. Where did I specify 1000whp is easy? And about ecus it seems you've not comprehended my entire point at all lmao. I'd suggest you to save your money for when your fresh mazworx block lifts its head, as Spooler has demonstrated.

LMAO, this build and build thread ain't for those that don't have expendable funds. There nothing cheap about doing what Spooler and few others of us are doing. They one off builds and unique to everyone of us. Sure you can talk about going to another platform or swapping in something else but Spooler has said over and over again that he is not interested in any of that and chasing his own personal dream. In doing that there will be gains for the whole platform. Doing something special requires unconventional thinking and not listening to the nay sayers. Hell, when I started my journey as well as others, the stock block was supposed to handle more than 550whp and you need to keep wtq below 500 and that was on the ragged edge. Now see stock blocks at 700whp and 580wtq.

So talking about cost for the regular Joe is not realistic at all. Most of could have easily adopted to get cars like a GTR or Porsche but we chose built over bought! Yep, maybe we are stupid and it's our money and our fun.

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DrBacon · 11-18-2021, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

LMAO, this build and build thread ain't for those that don't have expendable funds. There nothing cheap about doing what Spooler and few others of us are doing. They one off builds and unique to everyone of us. Sure you can talk about going to another platform or swapping in something else but Spooler has said over and over again that he is not interested in any of that and chasing his own personal dream. In doing that there will be gains for the whole platform. Doing something special requires unconventional thinking and not listening to the nay sayers. Hell, when I started my journey as well as others, the stock block was supposed to handle more than 550whp and you need to keep wtq below 500 and that was on the ragged edge. Now see stock blocks at 700whp and 580wtq.

So talking about cost for the regular Joe is not realistic at all. Most of could have easily adopted to get cars like a GTR or Porsche but we chose built over bought! Yep, maybe we are stupid and it's our money and our fun.

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I'm absolutely well aware and I'm all for it, I'm not knocking anyone at all who's trying to push the platform. You have to keep in mind "regular joes" are what keep this platform alive though, you'd be crazy to believe a couple high end 1 off builds provide enough income for any company to support and invest in R&D. Solutions and options MUST be affordable. We're talking low end entry level sports car here lol, this isn't the GTR world where everything does and should have a premium.

I wouldn't have spent 25k+ in mods on my second Z if I didn't believe in VQs (which I know, before any of you mention is almost nothing compared to some of you). But I know where to realistically draw the line with capabilities of the platform in it's current state. I will not be the one to push the boundaries.

Elmo370z · 11-18-2021, 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon

I'm absolutely well aware and I'm all for it, I'm not knocking anyone at all who's trying to push the platform. You have to keep in mind "regular joes" are what keep this platform alive though, you'd be crazy to believe a couple high end 1 off builds provide enough income for any company to support and invest in R&D. Solutions and options MUST be affordable. We're talking low end entry level sports car here lol, this isn't the GTR world where everything does and should have a premium.

I wouldn't have spent 25k+ in mods on my second Z if I didn't believe in VQs (which I know, before any of you mention is almost nothing compared to some of you). But I know where to realistically draw the line with capabilities of the platform in it's current state. I will not be the one to push the boundaries.

Platform is in a rut because no one wants to push the boundaries. No more low entry and any hatch back civic. 10 years ago you think a all motor fwd or awd drive civic would be knocking on the door to 7 second 1/4 miles? It takes a bunch of 1 off builds like hotrodz, spooler, Kels, soho to inspire and create ideas for that average Joe. Sometime that average Joe build works and is fast for no reason, that in turn sparks interest from other demographics to start pouring money into R&D.

DrBacon · 11-18-2021, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Elmo370z

Platform is in a rut because no one wants to push the boundaries. No more low entry and any hatch back civic. 10 years ago you think a all motor fwd or awd drive civic would be knocking on the door to 7 second 1/4 miles? It takes a bunch of 1 off builds like hotrodz, spooler, Kels, soho to inspire and create ideas for that average Joe. Sometime that average Joe build works and is fast for no reason, that in turn sparks interest from other demographics so start to pour money into R&D.

Hondas are fast as **** now which is inspiring for the hopeful future of VQ's, but the reason why they are is because of how cheap it is. Blow your engine? Throw a $100 junkyard engine in it and try again. Parts are cheap. It's not uncommon to see 800+whp hondas with ebay turbos now lol.

More people would be willing to try and push boundaries and experiment when they are not hit by a giant wall of cost.

redondoaveb · 11-18-2021, 08:29 PM

Knocking on the 6 second door

Elmo370z · 11-18-2021, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon

Hondas are fast as **** now which is inspiring for the hopeful future of VQ's, but the reason why they are is because of how cheap it is. Blow your engine? Throw a $100 junkyard engine in it and try again. Parts are cheap. It's not uncommon to see 800+whp hondas with ebay turbos now lol.

More people would be willing to try and push boundaries and experiment when they are not hit by a giant wall of cost.

Can’t argue that fact. You can buy a k series for $800 at your local junkyard. But you ain’t build no nitro all motor 4 cylinder for under 20k. Finding a good hatch shell will cost you 2-5k. 4 piston racing those motor builds cost just as much as building a VQ. Will these VQ or the Z platform be anything close to where civics probably not. Now you have soho getting closer to the 8’s and NA guys knocking on the door to 10’s it may bring some much needed attention to the platform.

Hotrodz · 11-18-2021, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DrBacon

Hondas are fast as **** now which is inspiring for the hopeful future of VQ's, but the reason why they are is because of how cheap it is. Blow your engine? Throw a $100 junkyard engine in it and try again. Parts are cheap. It's not uncommon to see 800+whp hondas with ebay turbos now lol.

More people would be willing to try and push boundaries and experiment when they are not hit by a giant wall of cost.

Honda are great if that is your thing. I love rear wheel drive cars. Driven all breeds at the the track and in EV's. The reason Honda's are popular are because people have pushed the limits on the K series motor. To be fair a proper Honda track car ain't cheap either. Ben from Gears and Gasoline broke down the cost to build his track car. $25k ain't going to get you there.

Tracking is expensive. I bought a track prepped Miata track and street car. It still was expensive. The heads had to be done twice, rotors, brakes, tires and a proper 4 point roll bar. Things add up quickly!

The bottom line is we all need each other. The car community suffers because many want to hate on a platform or between platforms and show vs track. Then there is grip vs drift vs drag and so on. My rant is over.

Spooler, carry on my brother!!!

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Spooler · 11-18-2021, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Hotrodz

Honda are great if that is your thing. I love rear wheel drive cars. Driven all breeds at the the track and in EV's. The reason Honda's are popular are because people have pushed the limits on the K series motor. To be fair a proper Honda track car ain't cheap either. Ben from Gears and Gasoline broke down the cost to build his track car. $25k ain't going to get you there.

Tracking is expensive. I bought a track prepped Miata track and street car. It still was expensive. The heads had to be done twice, rotors, brakes, tires and a proper 4 point roll bar. Things add up quickly!

The bottom line is we all need each other. The car community suffers because many want to hate on a platform or between platforms and show vs track. Then there is grip vs drift vs drag and so on. My rant is over.

Spooler, carry on my brother!!!

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I am doing my best. Will have to wait and see what next year brings.

Mr.Squeeze · 11-18-2021, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hotrodz

Honda are great if that is your thing. I love rear wheel drive cars. Driven all breeds at the the track and in EV's. The reason Honda's are popular are because people have pushed the limits on the K series motor. To be fair a proper Honda track car ain't cheap either. Ben from Gears and Gasoline broke down the cost to build his track car. $25k ain't going to get you there.

Tracking is expensive. I bought a track prepped Miata track and street car. It still was expensive. The heads had to be done twice, rotors, brakes, tires and a proper 4 point roll bar. Things add up quickly!

The bottom line is we all need each other. The car community suffers because many want to hate on a platform or between platforms and show vs track. Then there is grip vs drift vs drag and so on. My rant is over.

Spooler, carry on my brother!!!

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I totally agree with this

11-18-2021, 08:29 PM	#5 (permalink)
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