[Build Thread] -- Journey to 700+ WHP [Supercharger]

[cupcakez]

Originally Posted by ReflectingG0d

Hope your stage 3 long block lasts longer than mine did. Mine failed after 700 miles.

You should still have it under warranty unless you drove 700 miles in more than a year.

Did you talk to Kyle about the warranty and it being covered?

And how long ago was it that your Stage 3 blew out?

[ReflectingG0d]

Originally Posted by cupcakez

You should still have it under warranty unless you drove 700 miles in more than a year.

Did you talk to Kyle about the warranty and it being covered?

And how long ago was it that your Stage 3 blew out?

Depends who you ask. He says a foreign object made it's way into the cylinder, everyone else (including the machine shop it's at currently) says it was an issue with the valves/valve guides. Kyle chose not to warranty the motor, and wanted to charge me $2500 plus a new cylinder head to repair it. This happened a couple months ago and I am now looking to get it repaired locally. The car ran for 3 weeks under the break in instructions before failing. Never saw boost or even 4500 RPM.

[cupcakez]

Originally Posted by ReflectingG0d

Depends who you ask. He says a foreign object made it's way into the cylinder, everyone else (including the machine shop it's at currently) says it was an issue with the valves/valve guides. Kyle chose not to warranty the motor, and wanted to charge me $2500 plus a new cylinder head to repair it. This happened a couple months ago and I am now looking to get it repaired locally. The car ran for 3 weeks under the break in instructions before failing. Never saw boost or even 4500 RPM.

So I ended up changing it to a stage 4. I just forgot to edit it. I will edit it shortly.
Thats weird how he chose not to warranty it. Is there a reason why he said no?
Did he say to send it in and they can look at it or ?

I decided to source my block today from RJM.
I just purchased a bare closed deck short block with an added crank and a set of VVEL Heads 370z.
They will ship it by the end of this week to Kyles' shop and assemble it probably and hopefully next week.

I think its going to go well. Its closed deck so it will be strong. They say closed decks can hold up to 40+ psi and is for boosted applications.

The thing about IPP is that all the blocks they build are open. Therefore it is prone to fail if on a boosted application.

RJM told me they have had 5 IPP blocks sent to them for rebuilding in the past 6 months. That scared the crap out of me so I decided to go with a closed deck last second lol.

And I trust RJM because they make sick stuff lately lol.
Successful. Stuff.

[ReflectingG0d]

Originally Posted by cupcakez

So I ended up changing it to a stage 4. I just forgot to edit it. I will edit it shortly.
Thats weird how he chose not to warranty it. Is there a reason why he said no?
Did he say to send it in and they can look at it or ?

I decided to source my block today from RJM.
I just purchased a bare closed deck short block with an added crank and a set of VVEL Heads 370z.
They will ship it by the end of this week to Kyles' shop and assemble it probably and hopefully next week.

I think its going to go well. Its closed deck so it will be strong. They say closed decks can hold up to 40+ psi and is for boosted applications.

The thing about IPP is that all the blocks they build are open. Therefore it is prone to fail if on a boosted application.

RJM told me they have had 5 IPP blocks sent to them for rebuilding in the past 6 months. That scared the crap out of me so I decided to go with a closed deck last second lol.

And I trust RJM because they make sick stuff lately lol.
Successful. Stuff.

Yeah I had it sent to him for inspection and he denied it. Piece of **** motor.
No warranty. 5 in 6 months huh? I wonder if he's ever honored a warranty lol. Hope yours lasts longer. The issue was with the valves, not the bottom end, so a stronger block wouldn't have saved it.

[solidus]

Originally Posted by cupcakez

So I ended up changing it to a stage 4. I just forgot to edit it. I will edit it shortly.
Thats weird how he chose not to warranty it. Is there a reason why he said no?
Did he say to send it in and they can look at it or ?

I decided to source my block today from RJM.
I just purchased a bare closed deck short block with an added crank and a set of VVEL Heads 370z.
They will ship it by the end of this week to Kyles' shop and assemble it probably and hopefully next week.

I think its going to go well. Its closed deck so it will be strong. They say closed decks can hold up to 40+ psi and is for boosted applications.

The thing about IPP is that all the blocks they build are open. Therefore it is prone to fail if on a boosted application.

RJM told me they have had 5 IPP blocks sent to them for rebuilding in the past 6 months. That scared the crap out of me so I decided to go with a closed deck last second lol.

And I trust RJM because they make sick stuff lately lol.
Successful. Stuff.

No hate but I hope to hell they are'nt doing your block next week. I've been waiting 8 weeks already and was told the delay was with work orders from winter projects. It is noteworthy though that RJM said they've had 5 blocks sent to them in 6 weeks. Either way I've already spent the near 10k on the motor and if it pops at 18psi for any reason I'll just get a new one , however I'd never let a chance slide by to state the facts. They way I see it a warranty on an item like this is something that you'll either get freely or you have to argue for it. I view it like arguing with a cook that your soup tastes bad and then demanding another bowl. I learned years ago in a Wendy's drive through that that's a bad idea. I complained about what was on a Bacon double cheeseburger from the drive through. The manager offered a new burger which I accepted and went home without checking. Get home and just for grins pulled the bun off to look. There was about 9 inches of hair weave curled up under all the mayonaise . Chalked it up to education and made 3 tasty and delicious PBJ's. These engine packages are all about faith. Trusting that there's a valve job, trusting there are JWT cams and they're C2's and not C1's. Trusting that the pistons are really 10:1 like I ordered and not 9:1 standard cuts or OEM 11:1. In cases like this Trust but verify is a bit awkward and I've heard the stories , but for myself I'll have faith until my faith is demonstrated to be bad judgement.

[cupcakez]

There you go. Yeah, I wil keep that in mind haha. Thanks. Did you contact RJM about your block you were waiting 8 weeks for or this is something that happened in the past

[solidus]

Originally Posted by cupcakez

There you go. Yeah, I wil keep that in mind haha. Thanks. Did you contact RJM about your block you were waiting 8 weeks for or this is something that happened in the past

Lol !! Nooooooo I was refering to being a bit shook when you said RJM told you they had 5 IPP blocks that were blown. I thought about getting a closed deck early on but I would've probably went with one of theirs if that was the case. I took a bit of inspiration from Diabels build except I went with a 6466 and don['t have an itch to run ethanol. If I went closed block I would've probably went with the 6780 and E85 and more interested in touching on 800rwhp. My focus now is to hurry up and get this done so I can flip a coin on doing a DPF delete on my Titan XD.

[cupcakez]

Originally Posted by solidus

Lol !! Nooooooo I was refering to being a bit shook when you said RJM told you they had 5 IPP blocks that were blown. I thought about getting a closed deck early on but I would've probably went with one of theirs if that was the case. I took a bit of inspiration from Diabels build except I went with a 6466 and don['t have an itch to run ethanol. If I went closed block I would've probably went with the 6780 and E85 and more interested in touching on 800rwhp. My focus now is to hurry up and get this done so I can flip a coin on doing a DPF delete on my Titan XD.

xD! Gotcha. Well I decided to go with the RJM block and send it to IPP to assemble and machine a Spec IV IPP block.
I really hope it will last longer than I think it will, and it will serve me very well.

Update on it:
- Kyle from IPP received the closed deck short bare block + added crank and set of heads.

- I sent it to the office building of IPP rather than directly to the machine shop lol so a couple days delayed it from being started on. I suspect they will start the assembly and machine work for it this coming week, hopefully finish it by Friday and have it shipped out to my area in CA by the following Friday or at the very least, Monday the 14th of May.

- ITS GETTING CLOSER AND IM SUPER EXCITED. I THINK THIS ENGINE IS A WASTE FOR THE SUPERCHARGER BUT OH WELL. AT LEAST A ROD WON'T GET BLOWN OUT AGAIN.

[solidus]

Originally Posted by cupcakez

xD! Gotcha. Well I decided to go with the RJM block and send it to IPP to assemble and machine a Spec IV IPP block.
I really hope it will last longer than I think it will, and it will serve me very well.

Update on it:
- Kyle from IPP received the closed deck short bare block + added crank and set of heads.

- I sent it to the office building of IPP rather than directly to the machine shop lol so a couple days delayed it from being started on. I suspect they will start the assembly and machine work for it this coming week, hopefully finish it by Friday and have it shipped out to my area in CA by the following Friday or at the very least, Monday the 14th of May.

- ITS GETTING CLOSER AND IM SUPER EXCITED. I THINK THIS ENGINE IS A WASTE FOR THE SUPERCHARGER BUT OH WELL. AT LEAST A ROD WON'T GET BLOWN OUT AGAIN.

Bro I don't even want to call because if they told me two weeks it would be like watching paint dry for entertainment. I switched the delivery direct to my installer and I'm just waiting on them to call and say bring the car over.

[ReflectingG0d]

The only difference between a stage 3 and 4 is the JWT **** and a 5 angle valve job versus 3. The only thing I see him doing differently is maybe using a tiny bit of lube when he screws you since you paid the extra $$$ haha. Seriously though, good luck with the build. If the motor does break don't bother sending it back to them, just get it looked at locally. No sense in paying to ship the motor across the country for a warranty that isn't honored in even the most obvious scenarios.

[ReflectingG0d]

Also worth mentioning, when they shipped my motor back after denying warranty, it was sent on a busted pallet and the motor was upside down. He may have been a big deal back in the 90's, kinda like Uncle Rico was back in HS, but based on my experience and what I've read here I think those days are long gone.

[solidus]

Originally Posted by ReflectingG0d

Also worth mentioning, when they shipped my motor back after denying warranty, it was sent on a busted pallet and the motor was upside down. He may have been a big deal back in the 90's, kinda like Uncle Rico was back in HS, but based on my experience and what I've read here I think those days are long gone.

That's why I went with the stage 2 and just upgraded the ARP stuff and the head gasket. What went wrong on yours and what were your initial thoughts before things went left?

[ReflectingG0d]

Originally Posted by solidus

That's why I went with the stage 2 and just upgraded the ARP stuff and the head gasket. What went wrong on yours and what were your initial thoughts before things went left?

Issue with the valve guides, I didnt get to enjoy it what so ever because it grenaded itself before the break in period was over. It's getting fixed now though by a shop here in Denver. For less than mr. Puckett quoted me to fix his own faulty motor. My advice to anyone considering going there for motors is dont do it unless you can afford to do it twice. In a year.

[cupcakez]

Welp folks.
I'm already 6 feet deep in with IPP, I can only hope for the best.
They are already starting to work on the assembly and machine work since this past Monday (Yesterday).

He said it would all be done within 2 weeks time (By May 21st) I would assume, but hopefully it would be done by Friday, May 18 and then shipped out that weekend.

His IPP name and reputation is on the line with this engine just as it is with any other engine he ships out and builds.
But at the same time, I told him that I have a lot of people following my build (Thank you everyone!) and if it turns out well, and no issues -- then that can only look good for him.

So hopefully he takes very good care of the engine during the building, shipping and machining process -- and that no issues arise!

I will definitely post videos and pictures of the engine before it goes in, after, and when it's running, etc.

Stay posted people!!
It will either be a healthy monster of an engine, or an unhealthy exploding engine...haha.

Remember, the core used for this was:
- RJM Closed Deck Short Bare Block
- Added VQ37HR Crank
- Clean set of heads by RJM

I chose closed deck because Kyle's shop does not build their engines closed -- only open. As soon as I learned that, I resorted to finding a closed deck ASAP and RJM was my solution.
I didn't want blown head gaskets at 700 rwhp with the open block like a lot of others have warned me about so I decided...closed.

Thanks everyone! Wish me luck!

[solidus]

So it seems that with what we have coming there will be a lot to report. Cupcake your build and mine are definitely in the building at the same time. If we both have problems then it's consistent. I hope it's consistently good.