Preparation for the STILLEN supercharger

Red370 · 03-04-2010, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

I disagree. I think there is SO much more value in the Stillen kit considering the amount of testing and engineering that is currently going into this kit. If you are going to pay 5k+ for an SC, you aren't only considering price and hp figures. I have seen a lot of things that, to me, are worth much more than whatever dollar difference there is and that is even before we talk about the HP figures. Think about the fact that there is a water cooled intercooler inside the custom designed intake manifold. I'm not sure exactly where the comment about the "other" kit having more engineering going into it than the stillen one came from the other night....but I honestly fail to see how that is possible. I'm sure they will keep it competitive anyway.

I think when people are spending this much of their hard earned money they naturally tend to weigh many more aspects of the buying decision than they would for something cheaper. Price is never the #1 reason.

I'm going to agree with Travis and say this race is over.

I agree completely, Reliability will be the number 1 factor for me, Power comes second, I want to know that I can install a kit and drive worry free for the life of it, or at least for most of it.

roplusbee · 03-04-2010, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Red370

I agree completely, Reliability will be the number 1 factor for me, Power comes second, I want to know that I can install a kit and drive worry free for the life of it, or at least for most of it.

docaam · 03-04-2010, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Red370

I agree completely, Reliability will be the number 1 factor for me, Power comes second, I want to know that I can install a kit and drive worry free for the life of it, or at least for most of it.

+100 thats exactly what I was thinking after reading these last few pages

m4a1mustang · 03-04-2010, 05:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Red370

I agree completely, Reliability will be the number 1 factor for me, Power comes second, I want to know that I can install a kit and drive worry free for the life of it, or at least for most of it.

+1

MMC Racing · 03-04-2010, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

I disagree. I think there is SO much more value in the Stillen kit considering the amount of testing and engineering that is currently going into this kit. If you are going to pay 5k+ for an SC, you aren't only considering price and hp figures. I have seen a lot of things that, to me, are worth much more than whatever dollar difference there is and that is even before we talk about the HP figures. Think about the fact that there is a water cooled intercooler inside the custom designed intake manifold. I'm not sure exactly where the comment about the "other" kit having more engineering going into it than the stillen one came from the other night....but I honestly fail to see how that is possible. I'm sure they will keep it competitive anyway.

I think when people are spending this much of their hard earned money they naturally tend to weigh many more aspects of the buying decision than they would for something cheaper. Price is never the #1 reason.

I'm going to agree with Travis and say this race is over.

Until these kits end up on customer cars and are subjected to various climate differences, we won't know who made the right choice on intercooler design. "More" engineering doesn't mean better engineering. In fact, keep-it-simple-stupid can be a selling point in itself.

There is no victor here. Both kits, when tested by themselves, performed well. I'm going to hold back from the temptation to save a few hundred on the presales and wait to see real customer results before making up my mind.

Anyone calling a victor at this point on either side is an obvious

OMG37 · 03-06-2010, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RCZ

I disagree. I think there is SO much more value in the Stillen kit considering the amount of testing and engineering that is currently going into this kit. If you are going to pay 5k+ for an SC, you aren't only considering price and hp figures. I have seen a lot of things that, to me, are worth much more than whatever dollar difference there is and that is even before we talk about the HP figures. Think about the fact that there is a water cooled intercooler inside the custom designed intake manifold. I'm not sure exactly where the comment about the "other" kit having more engineering going into it than the stillen one came from the other night....but I honestly fail to see how that is possible. I'm sure they will keep it competitive anyway.

I think when people are spending this much of their hard earned money they naturally tend to weigh many more aspects of the buying decision than they would for something cheaper. Price is never the #1 reason.

I'm going to agree with Travis and say this race is over.

You realize GTM has been working on the SC kit since pre-October right? They have been testing the kit on a 370Z since then as well. Do you have some inside information into how long Stillen has been working on their system? Because I do at GTM...

I think people will base their opinions on whatever they want...and it's unfortunate that some of them will be swayed by some of the garbage and just flat out bs that is spewed in forums.

I'm following this thread only because i'm interested in the development of both kits...but I wouldn't even dare try to imply that I know something I don't...

There are a few basic things that everyone will consider:

Price
Performance
Aesthetics (Looks)
Warranty Reservations/CARB

Reliability??? The systems are new...nobody can point a finger at which one is more reliable at this point.

You obviously think Stillen is amazing...I can tell by your sig...but try to refrain from unfounded opinion when you are trying to make an analysis please.

Here's what I've seen from both companies so far (correct me if I'm wrong):

GTM Stage 1 SC: 8PSI 420RWHP 330TQ - stock exhaust setup on a G37S 6MT Coupe - Price $4995.00 for Stage 1

Stillen SC (Stage ?): PSI? 422RWHP 310TQ - Stillen exhaust G37 Coupe 7AT - Price?

I haven't finished reading through the rest of the posts past this one, but feel free to correct me on anything I haven't read yet if you want.

SeeyaBud86 · 03-06-2010, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by OMG37

Stillen SC (Stage ?): PSI? 422RWHP 310TQ - Stillen exhaust G37 Coupe 7AT - Price?

I haven't finished reading through the rest of the posts past this one, but feel free to correct me on anything I haven't read yet if you want.

That was their CARB legal kit, with 20" show rims as well.

RCZ · 03-06-2010, 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by OMG37

I think people will base their opinions on whatever they want...and it's unfortunate that some of them will be swayed by some of the garbage and just flat out bs that is spewed in forums.

I completely agree with you, which is why I even say anything in the first place. This whole thing is starting to get old. Most people who even have the money to afford this kit can make up their own minds.

Do I like Stillen? They haven't given me a reason not to so far and they have helped out with my build. That is why my sig says what it says. Do I have inside info about Stillen? A whole lot less than I do about GTM's kit.

Its not that I'm against GTM, I just like the Stillen kit more. When someone says they think the GTM kit has more engineering or is better, I reply with my own opinion, then just because I favor Stillen all of the sudden I think Stillen is amazing and I'm a fanboy.

I wish I could say I feel strongly enough about this dispute to spend any more time on it, but I don't really care what you guys buy or don't buy. To each his own.

And for the record, my comment about maturity was directed at the people who were actively coming in here and the other thread and making unnecessary inflammatory comments , not to everyone. My apologies to the rest, including you OMG37.

Not trying to make any enemies here, Its just a little frustrating sometimes when people do spew hype everywhere. For example the whole thing about Salesmen pitching the Stillen Kit and not engineers just because Stillen hasnt released information they want to hear so desperately. I dont think thats fair.

BRUSSO · 03-03-2010, 11:58 PM

I would really like to know how these sc'ers do with the 7at tranny.

I also think the water to air vs air to air is way better for intake air temps. I am really suprised that GTM is not using some type of water meth injection with their kits.

Nice job Stillen !!!

I hope the price is reasonable..... I do expect it to be more than the GTM kit...by about 20 percent...

rcm2525 · 03-04-2010, 06:52 AM

While comparing Dyno printouts from GTM and Stillen I noticed that the GTM sc had a million parts. On these systems under stress anyone of which could be a point of failure. Although I haven't seen the Stillen sc laid out, from what I can tell it's far less complex as to the number of components. For a DD that for me would be a plus for Stillen

Buddy Revell · 03-04-2010, 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rcm2525

While comparing Dyno printouts from GTM and Stillen I noticed that the GTM sc had a million parts. On these systems under stress anyone of which could be a point of failure. Although I haven't seen the Stillen sc laid out, from what I can tell it's far less complex as to the number of components. For a DD that for me would be a plus for Stillen

I disagree with using the number of parts in a kit to judge reliability. It's far better to look at a company's track record and reputation for quality in their products, IMO.

LiquidZ · 03-04-2010, 06:53 AM

I hate to ruin the mood, but the only thing bothering me about this kit is the torque graph. Everything else looks great though.

ChrisSlicks · 03-04-2010, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ

I hate to ruin the mood, but the only thing bothering me about this kit is the torque graph. Everything else looks great though.

The torque curve is pretty consistent with the type of supercharger they are using. Boost builds as the RPM's come up, which is why the torque peak is now nearly 7000 rpm.

LiquidZ · 03-04-2010, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

The torque curve is pretty consistent with the type of supercharger they are using. Boost builds as the RPM's come up, which is why the torque peak is now nearly 7000 rpm.

I'm not trying to derail this thread, but when looking at the "other" kit's graph, the supercharger improves torque in the low RPM range. I think moving enough air at low RPMs is Vortech's primary weakness. The high impeller speed of the Rotrex is definitely helping it produce more low end torque, imo.

To be fair, Stillen has made no mention of what trim they are using. I feel they can combat this issue by switching trims.

Red370 · 03-04-2010, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidZ

To be fair, Stillen has made no mention of what trim they are using. I feel they can combat this issue by switching trims.

They used a Vortech V3.

03-04-2010, 06:52 AM	#10 (permalink)
rcm2525 Base Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Mountains of VA Posts: 133 Drives: 370z NISMO PG #0260 Rep Power: 16	While comparing Dyno printouts from GTM and Stillen I noticed that the GTM sc had a million parts. On these systems under stress anyone of which could be a point of failure. Although I haven't seen the Stillen sc laid out, from what I can tell it's far less complex as to the number of components. For a DD that for me would be a plus for Stillen __________________ ____ "To live outside the law you must be honest" - B.D.

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LiquidZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 1,940 Drives: Mag. Black 2009 370Z Rep Power: 705	I hate to ruin the mood, but the only thing bothering me about this kit is the torque graph. Everything else looks great though. __________________

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