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Old 12-25-2015, 12:22 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Again, thanks for the notes, this is gonna help me a ton and should save a ton of time for me next week.
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Not much today, we only worked about 4 hours on the car because of Christmas.

Got the oil distribution block and drivers side turbo installed. Looks F$%king awesome having both turbos in. The compressor housing hits the the water pipe for the 2012+ factory oil cooler, something not accounted for in the initial design of the kit. We had to grind a bit off the compressor housing (on outside around a bolt, there was tons of extra material) and we also had to bend/ding the water pipe but we were able to full torque the turbo in place and you can slide a single sheet of paper between the compressor and the pipe now.

Groove - when you prep the turbos try to visualize where the oil and water lines are going to go and what orientation you want on the fittings on the other end. Our pass oil line wants to face 180 degrees from where we need it to go, so we are either going to have to put a twist-loop in it, or CAREFULLY try to reclock the crimped fitting... or pull the pass turbo and reclock the line completely.. but getting the last nut on the pass turbo was such a b#$% we really dont want to pull it.
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Little too late now but couldn't you have just remove the stock oil cooler for a proper one and eliminated the issue?

Also you think your making Monday tuning?
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Little too late now but couldn't you have just remove the stock oil cooler for a proper one and eliminated the issue?

Also you think your making Monday tuning?
Probably, but I decided not to install an oil cooler yet as I want to see the results with the GTM oil pan which is essentially a big aluminum heat sink with three more quarts of capacity.

Won't make Monday tuning we continue to run into issues. The AC lines on the drivers side prevent us from installing the inlet pipes and the instructions don't mention anything about it so we'll have to get with support tomorrow. There is a bracket in the way on the passenger side but it looks like we can just delete it.

We did get the oil feeds, water feeds, and water crossover plumbed in today. Still have to do all the intake and intercooler piping, fuel pump, and injectors.

Support told us we are pretty much the first DIY install of this kit and they have only done a few installs themselves. I probably would have waited till next Christmas if I had known so I could get the benefit of more refined instructions, etc. It has been a rewarding experience so far, hopefully we can keep pushing.

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There are several of us here in Houston that have extensive experience inside that engine bay if you think it might help.
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Thanks for the offer! My BIL and I are working pretty effectively together and Gamma has provided excellent support so far via phone/text so I'm trying to limit the number of "cooks" in the "kitchen" so to speak. =) I hope you do not take any offense to it! I would still love to meet you guys even if I only have time to do so during tuning. =)

We got answers from gamma, the AC lines need to be slightly bent up and out of the way.. they are super soft so this was easily done by hand. The passenger side bracket we thought we could delete was indeed deleted to make room. It did hold the main alternator cable in place, this cable needs to be tucked closer to the motor and to do so the connector on the alternator needs to be clocked. The cable needs to be tied away from the manifold and we will also probably heat wrap it.. (we have been heatwrapping damn near everything as a preventative measure)

We got the fuel rails reinstalled with the 600cc injectors. The manual instructs to lube the o-rings with "included superlube" product but this product was left out of the kit so we just used a dab of royal purple. Turns out the superlube application was clogging the injectors in the first installations so they removed it but forgot to update the manual. Using motor oil instead worked great and isn't all gooey like the Superlube grease so I recommend going that route.

We got the drivers side inlet and outlet piping mocked up and the drivers side wastegate installed (goes on after the turbos are installed and oil/water plumbed) as well. We started mocking up the passenger side inlet piping, and were about to reinstall the power steering cooler and intercoolers when we realized Gamma neglected to include the replacement power steering lines in the kit. It was already getting late in the evening so we decided to call it an early night so we could go buy the power steering lines at the autoparts store tomorrow.

We didn't put a ton of hours in today.. I was starting to feel burnt out so we took it a little easy today and spent some time relaxing to recharge. I am feeling better already and my enthusiasm for the project is returning. We are way behind in time, but we are going to keep moving at a steady pace and whenever it's done it will be done. I am not the kind of person to start rushing.. I have already started moving other plans around to accommodate the extended timeline (and told JTRAN we are behind as well). I am determined to do this thing right the first time as best I can.

Remaining to-do list (in order):
Install power steering cooler and lines
Install intercoolers
Mock up intercooler piping
Drill/tap/barb upper intake manifold and reinstall
Mark/Drill/Tap/Barb inlet pipes for PCV and install PCV lines
Install Passenger turbo heatshield
Finalize intercooler piping and tighten
Run wastegate and BOV lines.
Install new oil pan and plumb turbo oil drains
Install exhaust outlets to turbos
Reinstall "X" pipe sections of exhaust
Put wheels back on and take car off lift
Install new fuel pump
Base tune
Start car, check for leaks, drive around block
Reinstall engine cover
Reinstall crash bar
Reinstall strut tower brace and cowling
Reinstall front bumper
Reinstall undertray
Party at JTRAN, put up nice dyno numbers

Alot of those things are small, quick jobs but I just wanted to post them so I don't forget anything. We have also started to become lax on taking pictures, so I will try to get better about it. I want to load this thread up with pics when this thing is over with.
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No worries here. I have no issue relaxing in my couch but figured to let you know help was out there.

600cc injectors aren't a lot. Think you'll be limited on power with those.
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No worries here. I have no issue relaxing in my couch but figured to let you know help was out there.

600cc injectors aren't a lot. Think you'll be limited on power with those.
Aren't 600cc only good up till about 500-550ish hp...?
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Aren't 600cc only good up till about 500-550ish hp...?

Depends on how conservative your tuner is with timing. I'm close to maxed with 750ccs.
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We keep pushing. I can't believe I thought we were getting over the hump 3 days ago. Every time I think we are going to cruise to the finish line, we just run into more issues that aren't covered in the instructions.

Got the Power steering cooler back in with the new bracket. The mounting bolts for the cooler-to-bracket were too short (scavenged from stock bolts removed to keep moving), the button head bolts which mount the bracket (and intercooler bracket) to the radiator supports were too long (drilled holes in the plastic behind them to clearance), and Gamma forgot to include new power steering lines in my kit (went to auto parts store ad bought some generic). We also had to cut a hole in the plastic next to the PS cooler and bend the inlet down so the hoses ran through cleanly.

Got the intercoolers installed - the horn will need to be relocated (not sure where yet), support suggests we just find a spot around the area and bolt it there, but that the horn needs to face down or to the side so that water does not intrude into it. I also had some sensor sticking off the middle support - the tab it was mounted on was bent back to clearance. Had to remove the supports for the hood latch points. We filled the gap with washers to keep them positioned properly - hopefully those supports being deleted wont cause a huge issue. The intercoolers now become support structure, but their mount points are more inboard compared to where the other supports were.

Got much of the intercooler piping mocked up.. Gamma labeled the turbo inlet pipes as if they are identical, but it turns out they are slightly different. We blew a bunch of time banging our heads against the wall there and still aren't sure we have them as Gamma intended, though we seem to have them in a workable configuration so I'm not sure how much I care.

Another thing missing from the instructions, engine mount spacers. No mention in the manual.. I sent a picture to support trying to figure out their purpose and that's how I found out. Groove - make sure you align the slot of the spacers so that the little nubbin on the bottom of the engine mounts fits into them (you'll know what I mean when you put them in).

Tomorrow we're hoping to get the upper intake mani modded and reinstalled, and finish the IC piping mockup and get the inlets drilled and tapped. If things go really well, we'll install the new oil pan and plumb the turbo drains. This project is taking forever, but we are steadily clearing each hurdle.
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^ Well, on the brighter side at least you are getting over the humps and not sitting scratching your head for too long! Hopefully the rest of your plans come together smoothly. Again, as jwick has said there are some around willing to lend a hand or beer if you need some!
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Really appreciate it! Knowing there is support in the area has bumped my confidence even if I have not yet taken advantage of it.

Today... was an excellent day! Didn't get as far as we'd hoped, but we finally (I think) solved the last puzzle.. We found some issues with our drivers side turbo inlet pipe (which we have nicknamed "the bitchpipe" since it has sucked a 1.5 days of our time banging our heads against the wall).. in the configuration we settled on yesterday, it looked like a lip in the chassis was going to wear a hole in the coupler over time.

Here is what you need to know:
There are two inlet pipes, they are packaged together and not labeled differently as if they are identical.
They look, at first, to be identical.
They are NOT identical.
One is slightly longer than the other. This is the drivers side pipe. The short end goes towards the turbo.
The slightly shorter pipe (passenger side pipe) has the long end going towards the turbo. Groove, this information will extend your life for years in missed stress. We went through what felt like a zillion permutations of the configuration and it just felt like nothing worked.

With those pipes finally figured out, we mocked up the rest of the pipeing and it went in like a breeze. The coupler between the drivers side compressor outlet pipe and intercooler inlet pipe seemed waaaay too short. When we finally got it on, it just looked like it would pop off at first boost. After speaking to support, we found out that some of the pipes got manufactured a half inch too short, and on some kits that coupler wont reach enough to tightly couple both pipes so they sourced longer couplers.. Our support guy, Jason, grabbed one and overnighted it to us. Should be here tomorrow and that issue should be solved.

We marked the two inlet pipes and drilled/tapped/barbed (for PCV) and did the same for the passenger charge pipe (for wastegates) and reinstalled. We cannibalized the old horn bracket to make a new horn bracket, flipped the horn around, and mounted it to the passenger side top intercooler mount. Looks like another horn on the drivers side will need to be adjusted to fit the air filter, but we haven't installed it yet to see. Got the BOV's installed, and also cut the snorkel outlets to fit the intercooler outlet couplers.

Got the upper intake manifold drilled/tapped/barbed as well for the BOV's, will reinstall tomorrow...
Speaking of tomorrow.. if we have an excellent day we could finish the build... but nothing ever seems to go as fast as I think it will. Most likely we'll be ready for base tune on New Years Eve. In 2016, I resolve to boost.

To do list (in orderish):
Run wastegate lines
Run power steering lines
Install upper intake manifold
Replace way-to-short coupler between driver's IC inlet and turbo charge pipe (hopefully the coupler will be in)
Run BOV lines
Install air filters
Install MAF tubes and MAFs
Install steering shaft coupler
Install o2 sensor housings onto turbos (along with o2 sensors)
Install Y-pipe
Put wheels back on car.
Install big *** GTM oil pan and plumb turbo oil drains
Install new fuel pump

Looks like a crapload of stuff, but a lot of it is small jobs. We would have to crush tomorrow to get it all done, most likely sometime the day after we will finish up. I really don't see too many snags ahead, just a lot of hooking stuff up.

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