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Jamaica 10-17-2010 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by 96bigbody (Post 762876)

just took two clicks to find.

209Z 10-17-2010 06:55 PM

dyno looks amazing. Thinking about ordering hmmm =]. Just need more information on it. Maybe a special release? More pictures? etc

jnaut 10-17-2010 07:43 PM

whos car is this? pics of the intercooler/ t.b ? does look cool, there are a few things I would do different but good job over all! where did you run the piping through the crossmember?

209Z 10-18-2010 12:28 AM

want more pics ! want more everything *credit card in hand* lol =]

WarmAndSCSI 10-18-2010 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by danielw (Post 768640)
have you owned a rear mount kit? I have. We considered putting a turbo blanket on the turbo. The hotter the turbo gets the quicker it spools up.

Have you:

- built over a dozen engines to various specifications for street/strip/ridiculous power output usage
- ported and polished cylinder heads for high-output turbo V6 applications to optimize top-end while maintaining spool
- designed and reworked turbo piping for a transverse-mount V6 to produce optimal spool
- ported cast turbo manifolds to equalize runner length and balance flow
- personally rebuilt various turbochargers after failures
- chosen a turbo for a particular application, spending months researching compressor efficiency maps and simulating engine output
- tuned half a dozen separate high-specific-output cars on various tuning platforms for supercharged/NA/turbocharged power
- dedicated yourself to personally researching engine and turbocharger technology for the past 5 years, developing and innovating new ideas for your own projects

?

:owned:

You're barking up the wrong tree. What I stated is 100% accurate; what you have to present is how a newbie would explain why "more heat" is better for a turbocharged setup. :tiphat:

JoeyD 10-18-2010 10:43 AM

PV=NRT I'm just sayin...

Hotter turbo (housing) means nothing.

WarmAndSCSI 10-18-2010 11:13 AM

Exactly.

It's all about exhaust gas velocity, and a higher exhaust charge temperature is indicative of that. Like I said in my previous post, what is important is how well your pre-turbine-housing piping and turbine housing keep energy (read: heat and velocity) from escaping the exhaust system. With piping that is coated inside and out, and a turbine housing that may or may not be coated with an insulating blanket, there is no harm with a lot of cool air being blown around the turbo. End of story.

Zsteve 10-18-2010 12:00 PM

so we want HAI?

WarmAndSCSI 10-18-2010 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Zsteve (Post 770510)
so we want HAI?

Nope, you want cold air on the compressor side of the turbo, fast and hot air (aka exhaust) on the turbine side. Generally speaking, that is. :)

STS definitely knows what they're doing. It's already an improvement over the 350Z rear mount design because it looks like they replaced the mid-pipe with a bigger-diameter piece that appears to be coated (presumably inside and out). The 350Z setup used the stock mid-pipe by default.

I certainly hope they're not using HPC coatings any more since they went out of business here in Utah. The best option IMO is from Swain Tech. HPC sucks.

Q8y_drifter 10-18-2010 02:16 PM

I'd love to get a better view of all the intake and exhaust piping. Is the turbo water cooled?

Zsteve 10-18-2010 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI (Post 770626)
Nope, you want cold air on the compressor side of the turbo, fast and hot air (aka exhaust) on the turbine side. Generally speaking, that is. :)

STS definitely knows what they're doing. It's already an improvement over the 350Z rear mount design because it looks like they replaced the mid-pipe with a bigger-diameter piece that appears to be coated (presumably inside and out). The 350Z setup used the stock mid-pipe by default.

I certainly hope they're not using HPC coatings any more since they went out of business here in Utah. The best option IMO is from Swain Tech. HPC sucks.

I know I was just trying to :stirthepot: some

Where is the air intake filter exactly and how do they keep it from getting dirty too fast?

1slow370 10-19-2010 02:51 AM

hopefully the oiling sysem isn't anything like the 350z one, installed one for one of my guys and the pump was on the other end of 12ft of 3/8 id hose from a tiny nipple on the turbo. it sucked so bad he had oil bypassing the seals at idle filing the intake piping and shooting out the exhaust so bad that when his BOV opened it would spray oil in his engine bay. We had the turbo inspected and it was like new, then i machined the oil fitting on the turbo out to 1/2 npt with a 5/8 id lineto the pump, relocated the pump to the back to reduce restriction and give the pump an easier life pumping oil, then we ran 1/2id back to the front of the engine and wouldntcha know it it just stopped leaking.

danielw 10-19-2010 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by WarmAndSCSI (Post 770118)
Have you:

- built over a dozen engines to various specifications for street/strip/ridiculous power output usage
- ported and polished cylinder heads for high-output turbo V6 applications to optimize top-end while maintaining spool
- designed and reworked turbo piping for a transverse-mount V6 to produce optimal spool
- ported cast turbo manifolds to equalize runner length and balance flow
- personally rebuilt various turbochargers after failures
- chosen a turbo for a particular application, spending months researching compressor efficiency maps and simulating engine output
- tuned half a dozen separate high-specific-output cars on various tuning platforms for supercharged/NA/turbocharged power
- dedicated yourself to personally researching engine and turbocharger technology for the past 5 years, developing and innovating new ideas for your own projects

?

:owned:

You're barking up the wrong tree. What I stated is 100% accurate; what you have to present is how a newbie would explain why "more heat" is better for a turbocharged setup. :tiphat:

wow you're so awesome... I wish I could be like you when I grow up you fearsome keyboard warrior you.

I didn't say anything about blowing hot air into the engine like you're making it out.

370Zsteve 10-19-2010 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by danielw (Post 771871)
wow you're so awesome... I wish I could be like you when I grow up you fearsome keyboard warrior you.

I didn't say anything about blowing hot air into the engine like you're making it out.

Welcome to the Intertubes.

1slow370 10-19-2010 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve (Post 771963)
Welcome to the Intertubes.

It's Interwebz NOOB

worldfamousz 10-19-2010 01:34 PM

FOR the oiling issue would it be at all practical to install a remote oiling system in the back of the car perhaps? I mean, running turbo and exhaust pipes front and back is one thing... But having oil run ALL the way from the front of the car to the rear and then back to the front is pretty insane to me. that's a LOT of oil to fill and the oil needs to be flowing constantly and consistently. I'm not sure if a remote oiling system is at all possible, room wise, but might be something worth looking into for the DIY guys. just install an electric pump, cooler core, filter, and lines to recirc?

209Z 10-19-2010 02:47 PM

adding more oil in the z might be beneficial to help cool down the oil temperature. So it actually might be a good thing to have more oil in the car.

danielw 10-19-2010 03:57 PM

I've been on the z forums for alot longer than most of the "noobs" on here. Not that being on an internet forum for longer than someone means anything...

WarmAndSCSI 10-19-2010 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by danielw (Post 772649)
I've been on the z forums for alot longer than most of the "noobs" on here. Not that being on an internet forum for longer than someone means anything...

No, but clearly having WAY more real-world experience does.

:gtfo2:

1slow370 10-20-2010 02:16 AM

a separate oil system for the turbo would work but you would need a reservoir, filter, pressure pump, scavange pump, optionally a cooler, and you would have to mount all of that in the back of the car somehow which more than likely means no spare tire and it would cost a hell of a lot more than you would want.

Zsteve 10-20-2010 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by danielw (Post 772649)
I've been on the z forums for alot longer than most of the "noobs" on here. Not that being on an internet forum for longer than someone means anything...

This is true, its about staying in a Motel 6, now that makes you an expert in things.

Cell 10-20-2010 02:20 PM

YouTube - outperformanceshop's Channel

Found those videos on youtube while roaming around. There is like 6 videos on the nismo with the STS kit.

Is it me or does it sound like a 4 cylinder car with a exhaust?

Gunzero 10-20-2010 04:37 PM

How much will this cost labor/parts?
20k for the other turbos is ridiculous.

theDreamer 10-20-2010 04:42 PM

20k for a turbo? more like 10k for the turbo and another 5k-7k for proper upgrades. Some of which are best to be done right away and others down the road.
As stated earlier, it looks like they want to price this kit around 6-7k for the system alone but that does not get you out of spending money on the extras you will need.

Zsteve 10-20-2010 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 774382)
20k for a turbo? more like 10k for the turbo and another 5k-7k for proper upgrades. Some of which are best to be done right away and others down the road.
As stated earlier, it looks like they want to price this kit around 6-7k for the system alone but that does not get you out of spending money on the extras you will need.

That seems too much for me as the SCs are cheaper and needed more design R&D than an STS turbo.

Gunzero 10-20-2010 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 774382)
20k for a turbo? more like 10k for the turbo and another 5k-7k for proper upgrades. Some of which are best to be done right away and others down the road.
As stated earlier, it looks like they want to price this kit around 6-7k for the system alone but that does not get you out of spending money on the extras you will need.

All I been seeing are labor and parts for a grand total of 20k+
I'm asking would it be cheaper with this since the install doesn't look too bad?
What other supporting mods do you need. Seems like they are giving you everything.

Gunzero 10-20-2010 05:17 PM

Should have just gotten a Supra ha.

Jamaica 10-20-2010 05:22 PM

Sounds like a rick rocket for some reason. They have other videos:

YouTube - 2010 Nissan Nismo 370z Single STS Turbo flyby

YouTube - 2010 Nissan Nismo 370z Single STS Turbo highway acceleration

Jamaica 10-20-2010 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Gunzero (Post 774376)
How much will this cost labor/parts?
20k for the other turbos is ridiculous.

who said it cost 20k?

the kit cost around 6400 shipped. Then you can run about 7.9 psi and get 474 hp. I have been doing the comparisons. You cant get that with stillen or gtm. Labor gonna cost about 1k or do it yourself.

Push370zzz 10-20-2010 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jamaica951 (Post 774414)
who said it cost 20k?

the kit cost around 6400 shipped. Then you can run about 7.9 psi and get 474 hp. I have been doing the comparisons. You cant get that with stillen or gtm. Labor gonna cost about 1k or do it yourself.

Such a good deal...that thing looks FAST.

llerrahCorp 10-20-2010 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by smashwebs (Post 774441)
Such a good deal...that thing looks FAST.

want more dynos

209Z 10-20-2010 07:00 PM

im not going to lie. This car is quick!

Q8y_drifter 10-20-2010 07:09 PM

More pics, details, etc...

Cell 10-20-2010 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Q8y_drifter (Post 774526)
More pics, details, etc...

:iagree:

We need much more detail than a simple dyno and price. We want more information!

Jamaica 10-20-2010 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Cell (Post 774540)
:iagree:

We need much more detail than a simple dyno and price. We want more information!

you have a phone call em and ask lol

Gunzero 10-20-2010 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamaica951 (Post 774414)
who said it cost 20k?

the kit cost around 6400 shipped. Then you can run about 7.9 psi and get 474 hp. I have been doing the comparisons. You cant get that with stillen or gtm. Labor gonna cost about 1k or do it yourself.

I was talking about other turbos.. costing 18k+ to do labor parts tune.

Gunzero 10-20-2010 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 774382)
20k for a turbo? more like 10k for the turbo and another 5k-7k for proper upgrades. Some of which are best to be done right away and others down the road.
As stated earlier, it looks like they want to price this kit around 6-7k for the system alone but that does not get you out of spending money on the extras you will need.

Yea exactly. 10k for turbo + 7k upgrade/tun + another 3k for shipping.

Dembflyr 10-21-2010 12:16 AM

Maybe this needs it's own thread but.... What else would you need to add to the GTM turn key kit to make it right.
The kit is about $8k. A proper 3" exhaust is about $2k. Clutch is another $2k. That's $12,000 right there. Is there really another $8k that needs to be spent to do it "right"?
Edit: I know I left out installation and that alone is probably close to $3k when all is said and done. I do my own work so I didn't think about that part.

Q8y_drifter 10-21-2010 12:16 AM

The only difference between this and say the GTM stage 1 is the price of the kit itself. the same upgrades such as clutch, oil cooler(s), gauges, etc will have to be done on both anyway. But even then you are comparing a single turbo kit to a TT kit. Add the price of the other turbo and manifolds and now you're the same price range as the GTM TT kit.

Q8y_drifter 10-21-2010 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Dembflyr (Post 774938)
Maybe this needs it's own thread but.... What else would you need to add to the GTM turn key kit to make it right.
The kit is about $8k. A proper 3" exhaust is about $2k. Clutch is another $2k. That's $12,000 right there. Is there really another $8k that needs to be spent to do it "right"?

You can get away with a $1K 2.5" exhaust. Ofcourse you won't be making the same power as a 3" exhaust. You will definitely need gauges, sensors, oil cooling, shipping, labor (unless DIY). Adds up quick.


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