Major, major lag... also, less boost with same size turbo given all the extra volume of piping that has to fill... nicer in theory than in reality.

Best thing about this is no intercooler needed, but seriously not worth it.

Maybe if this was somehow set up as part of a twincharge design with a big roots blower under the hood to get the car moving... I dunno, that or some nitrous.

Major lag? Have you drove in one of those cars?
My buddy has one in his z and there no major major lag. Don't judge a book by its cover.

400 TQ!!!! Daddy wants!!!

incorrect. I had one on a 350 and it made more power and torque at the same psi than a turbonetics kit with a similarly sized turbo. Lower IAT's allow you to run more timing. And with regard to the piping, it's a straight shot and if you line up all the piping in an sts kit vs. say a greddy kit you'd be surprised at how little difference in length of piping there actually is.

Plus it's a compression wave. Think of a hose full of water. You start pushing water in one end, you don't have to wait till that water gets to the other end to see results. Of course air compresses and water doesn't, but you aren't waiting for air to go down the full length of the pipe to get a benefit at the other end.

Huh. Okay, well I've only seen a few set-ups done and they were less expensive and didn't need an intercooler, but boost came on later and it definitely didn't have the power potential of a traditonal set-up.

Maybe they've developed better systems for the Z -- I'll take you guys on your word on this one.

We're talking a rear mounted kit here, right? I didn't mean that comment for a single turbo under the hood (although you will typically get a broader power band for a TT kit over a large single one, usually at the cost of less top end).

EDIT: I just looked at the power/torque curve on the 350Z forum -- the boost curve is nuts...

It looks like they're running an extra big turbo to fill the piping, and there's pretty much nothing until almost 4K, then the power comes on and hits like a freight train.

That's fine for the drag strip, but it's gonna feel a little ungainly on a road car.

Okay -- I'll step off my soap box -- if you guys want that -- go for it.

I'm not a personal fan of torque curves that look like that...

ya its different when you read info then drive the car and see the result for yourself.

also if they use a recirculating valve and note a blow off valve the unused air is recirculated back into the air intake to help keep the turbo spinning up.

I looked more into it and in my opinion is kind of a ripoff. I'd rather just do the Stillen kit. They were going to use my vehicle as a test mule for their bolt on kit and still wanted like $8800, and were going to keep it for a month. More expensive than the Stillen kit and I don't have to lose the car for a month...no thanks I'd rather just put a dp on a GTR.

Yea thats total BS. Your better off getting the GTM kit like you said.:tup:

I just spoke to the guys at STS and they just finished dynoing a 370z for baseline numbers. The build is going to take about 2 months. They haven't decided on price or whether to offer single or twin turbos. All info will be available via their website. I've waited a while for this info. I'm glad I delayed my mods.

tell them it should be less than the GTM SC as it requires less design and parts. Tell them the consumer wants fair pricing or else.

lol or else what?

or else we wont buy it I guess. I also hope the tq numbers are better than a SCs even if just 1 turbo, which is really all I would want if I bought their kit.

I'm just happy to have another turbo option. 18k for turbos is ridiculous

In for info

Haha not quite. I figure if their cheapo starter system is only $2k (which is a great deal, really) I just would like some more direction on what to do with it. The company it seems was very friendly and I enjoyed speaking with them, but the cost on the bolt on kit is a little higher than I think is fair. I mean it's supposed to be a budget-minded solution to boosting no?

That being said, I still am itching to just buy their starter single turbo and throw it on, but I don't have enough experience to buy it now and build that baby myself. Maybe in the winter when the car is outta commission for 4 months anyways. My primary motivation is just about 400-450 rwhp for under $4-$5k, which I know is asking a lot, but this seems like the most plausible means of accomplishing that.

I'm expecting 450whp @4psi for about $5-8k. I'm also expecting Vida Guerra to knock on my door with a check for $100 mil

Oops, meant to say hp, not rwhp. Either way, I can't imagine a well tuned one of those base STS Systems gain less than 100hp at the wheels. I don't think that it's that ridiculous, and am planning on assembling myself so it's really just the cost of parts and tune....

I hope it does not have better TQ than the SC kits @ 8 psi or I will be making more changes under my hood. Yikes this car drains my wallet

6 speed vq35 was making 400whp at 9-10psi

Update:

the kit will be released next month. IT will be a single turbo kit. Retails abour 6.5k

I'm assuming it's not gonna be intercooled?
For the price I'd probably go with a GTM SC kit. Although the STS turbo's do sound sick lol :D

Yes its going to be intercooled and going to be pushing over 400hp to the wheels. Direct bolt on kit and comes with tunning.

Any more details? tuning via Uprev Osiris?
Why don't they mount the turbo close towards the trans? Shorter piping, faster spool and you can muffle the sound at least. It's still out of the engine bay. Kinda like the single turbo options for the DE 350Z/G35.

the set up is going to be the almost the same like the 350z turbo kit.

YouTube - STS Turbo 350Z Take off!! 5Psi.

tooooo much for a single turbo that is an easy design and install. I like that its a single turbo but it should only be a 4K kit max.

ya right. 4k max. Its not a civic turbo kit. ITs a z. SFR turbo kit retails over 6k Turbonetics retails about 5k. You pay for what you get for.

Yea right the SCs for the Z that had to basically design the whole concept and move things around and design a couple new parts are the same price. STS has to put a trubo in an open space and connect some piping and FMIC. STS wont be selling many of these kits with the SCs being the same price putting out the same or more power.

Sounds like they are trying to cash in on the market here. Guess you gotta pay to play, especially these days.

For me I always include TQ when talking about power. And a SC will never be the same as a turbo for that reason. HP sells cars (and FI kits in this case), TQ wins races.

I'm liking these torque numbers. Might be the reason I don't go with the stillen.

As we speak, it am ordering in all the parts to design a single rear mounted turbo for my car. utilizing a guniune gt35r .82 a/r, tial waste gate, hks bov and air to water intercooler.

air to water? idk :/

That will get you into the 11's at the track.

Z

hopefully!!

Would it be worth it to pay 6.5-8k for a twin turbo rear mount setup?

Noice... You should be able to make some nice power with ease. If you haven't ordered the turbo yet, I'd look into an FP HTA version of the GT35R - they call it the HTA82.

sounds good and its cheaper right?

i am estimating total cost of 3500.