Breaking NEWS - GammaMotors Terminated SAM

Zbrah · 10-06-2015, 04:12 PM

Second example Gamma withholding products and extorting money from paid customers.

birdman71 · 10-06-2015, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zbrah

And let me break it down to you.

Guy paid in full for a sc kit.

Gamma acknowledged they have his kit, most of it. Keep lying about how much of the kit is completed. Which makes me think they are shipping parts from his kit to fulfill other kits, possibly vivid for example.

Why do you keep insisting this guy should have to handle more money to get what's his? Put yourself in his shoes, would any of that make sense to you

And I didn't ask for a definition what a deal is. Learn to read, Gavin.

My questions was what other deal is there to arrange and negotiate? This guy has already met his end of the contract. He paid in full. Gamma needs to meet their obligation and deliver what they owe to him.

David, don't be condescending to me (which is all you have done most of this thread) If you learned to read, you would understand the "IF" that I put in front of those sentences; implying that YES There is a chance that gamma will be hard on wanting that 4k otherwise you do have to wait to get the kit. He also paid for his kit in November 2014 which makes him a GTM customer not a GAMMA customer. As bullitt stated GAMMA did not inherit ANY of GTMS debts although they want to help.

I don't insist on him paying more money I wish no one had to pay anything more, but I said it before and I say it again I am a realist and understand how business works.
Business does not always work in a way that it puts a smile on every customers face even if you try. I assumed you would understand that.

I'm done trying to help here you can corrupt these guys more into believe that Gamma are nothing but bad news. They deserve a shot but I know they wont go bankrupt over a couple customers.
I can see bullitt gave up a while back.

Have fun

Ill · 10-06-2015, 04:48 PM

If Burger King purchased an old McDonalds building, they can't just hand out old Big Macs. Nothing is there for to give out.

Now if they offer a discount on a few whoppers, that seems reasonable.

I'm really hungry, so the food analogy made sense to me.

JARblue · 10-06-2015, 05:05 PM

No need for animosity between forum members

I think this is a good discussion to have, but we can do it without attacking each other

I know Gamma doesn't owe anything to anyone that did business with GTM. But let's just say they are down in the count, primarily due to association. The more they can do on that end, they better they're going to look in people's eyes. Obviously, as a business, they cannot just make everyone whole. It is an unfortunate situation.

JARblue · 10-06-2015, 05:06 PM

I'm hungry also, so on the food analogy, how would you feel about the following situation: You go into a restaurant, order food, and pay for it. Then while you wait for your food, the restaurant declares bankruptcy, another restaurant buys the recipes (i.e. intellectual property) and opens right back up with essentially the same menu at higher prices and starts taking new orders. Your order number is no longer valid, and the owner of the first restaurant who took your money at the register is still working behind the counter for the new restaurant making the exact same item that you ordered.

Zbrah · 10-06-2015, 05:06 PM

I'm "corrupting" who now? lol never knew my words have the powers to corrupt minds of grown adults over the internet. Everything that I said about gamma are being supported by the guys who have had personal experience dealing with gamma. All you and bullit have done is diverting the facts that gamma is commiting extortion to get more money into their pockets. Keep pushing these guys to go away quietly and " work out a deal" with gamma. Please. I and a few others won't sit here and let that happen. If gamma doesn't want to answer their calls. We will continue to put on the heat and give them bad rep in every thread you guys put up until the here guys get what's owed to them.

birdman71 · 10-06-2015, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zbrah

I'm "corrupting" who now? lol never knew my words have the powers to corrupt minds of grown adults over the internet. Everything that I said about gamma are being supported by the guys who have had personal experience dealing with gamma. All you and bullit have done is diverting the facts that gamma is commiting extortion to get more money into their pockets. Keep pushing these guys to go away quietly and " work out a deal" with gamma. Please. I and a few others won't sit here and let that happen. If gamma doesn't want to answer their calls. We will continue to put on the heat and give them bad rep in every thread you guys put up until the here guys get what's owed to them.

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Originally Posted by birdman71

Have fun

Skew would be a better word than corrupt
Good luck with that then! Honestly. I understand both sides here because I have been scammed for a big sum of money before and never saw a cent of it nor the product and I also understand there are the members that have all this money invested; but I'm sorry legalities will win in court and in the business world over everything you "think" is morally right and wrong.
You can keep trying but a business will only budge so much, especially if they are already doing the ripped off GTM customers a favor.

I've learned first hand.. (not with GTM or Gamma, completely separate purchase implied)

vividracing · 10-06-2015, 05:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zbrah

And let me break it down to you.

Guy paid in full for a sc kit.

Gamma acknowledged they have his kit, most of it. Keep lying about how much of the kit is completed. Which makes me think they are shipping parts from his kit to fulfill other kits, possibly vivid for example.

Why do you keep insisting this guy should have to handle more money to get what's his? Put yourself in his shoes, would any of that make sense to you?

You didn't respect my first request @zbrah, in fact you didn't even acknowledge it. So once again I am going to ask you nicely. While you're over there thriving off the energy you get from arguing with everyone, please for the last time, leave my company's name out of your theories as it pertains to other people's situations.

You are spewing hearsay all over this thread to things you can't prove or back up and it's affecting with my ability to maintain a good image as a vendor in this forum. This is my job and you are playing with my income right now. Nobody in my position would take lightly to this much less kindly ask you to stop for a second time.

Knock it off.

birdman71 · 10-06-2015, 05:25 PM

Everyone should order stuff from Todd at Vivid Racing!!!!
Great Vendor!

Ill · 10-06-2015, 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JARblue

I'm hungry also, so on the food analogy, how would you feel about the following situation: You go into a restaurant, order food, and pay for it. Then while you wait for your food, the restaurant declares bankruptcy, another restaurant buys the recipes (i.e. intellectual property) and opens right back up with essentially the same menu at higher prices and starts taking new orders. Your order number is no longer valid, and the owner of the first restaurant who took your money at the register is still working behind the counter for the new restaurant making the exact same item that you ordered.

I didn't think of that way. You do make a good point.

I'm not a group buy participant, but I am a GTM customer. While we had some issues, they were worked out eventually.

I don't have any part of this situation, my post was just the first thing that popped in my head while I lurked the thread.

Looking forward for more material to read while I poop.

Zbrah · 10-06-2015, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by birdman71

Skew would be a better word than corrupt
Good luck with that then! Honestly. I understand both sides here because I have been scammed for a big sum of money before and never saw a cent of it nor the product and I also understand there are the members that have all this money invested; but I'm sorry legalities will win in court and in the business world over everything you "think" is morally right and wrong.
You can keep trying but a business will only budge so much, especially if they are already doing the ripped off GTM customers a favor.

I've learned first hand.. (not with GTM or Gamma, completely separate purchase implied)

Yet, you repeatedly encouraged these guys to go in silence and take the legal option. That's very thoughtful of you

Yep, a big favor that comes with a price tag...

birdman71 · 10-06-2015, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Zbrah

Yet, you repeatedly encouraged these guys to go in silence and take the legal option. That's very thoughtful of you

Yep, a big favor that comes with a price tag...

Yeah it does come with a price tag because of the fact that they are not the same company nor have inherited debts

Never once have I encouraged these guys to go in silence and take it how it is.
I have encouraged them to call Gamma Motors and see if they can use leverage to get Gamma to do what they want them to do, OR you can try and get the best deal possible on the money they want to charge you, pay it, and then include it in your lawsuit that you hope to win and get money back..

if it hasn't been clear enough...

EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN RIPPED OFF BY SAM AND GTM CALL GAMMA MOTORS TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR YOU!

jwick · 10-06-2015, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by birdman71

Well reading is also fundamental to you Texans

and not just read the parts you want to. You should also read that in my text I stated that it was a group buy with the figures I was working with and also a generalize consensus that a TT kit costs 10k with no addons. Not only that they are estimates. I have also stated in many other posts as bullitt has to CALL GAMMA MOTORS TO FIGURE OUT THE EXACT AND YES I SAY EXACT NUMBERS OF WHAT IT TAKES FOR YOU TO GET YOUR KIT

And you're going to say that I'm somehow stupid and do not know how to read due to the pollution of Southern California? And on top of it trying to just sit here and twist peoples' words after the specification multiple times on how the numbers are estimates and Gamma Motors should be called?... how cute!

[insert one of many Texan humiliation jokes]

Don't remember when I told everyone that my numbers should be written in stone and that I work for Gamma Motors and have the final say on everything cause I don't. Bullitt works closely with them still don't have any say on anything, because I don't, Just been trying to help people understand reasons on why things are happening like Bullitt. But looks like you cannot understand that side of reality.

I stand corrected on your situation Tiller. That is one of the grey area zones since it was in the process of the switch, I would definitely get in line with the Lawsuit against Sam. I would keep trying to get a hold of Gamma Motors and see about getting the 4k they want you to pay reduced by some point or have them provide and exact part for part invoice on why you owe them 4k for the kit. If you have recordings based off different dates recorded showing that there is misrepresented information in regards to how ready your kit is then you may have some leverage in the situation on price.

If you (anyone) ends up paying the extra amount to Gamma Motors I would add that number in on the amount that you are asking for in the Lawsuit against Sam

Just an idea

Holy ****. It only took you about five responses to actually state that none of your information was fact and instead just your opinion.

You crack me up. Reading your responses is highly entertaining.

Rock on bro

Zbrah · 10-06-2015, 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by birdman71

Yeah it does come with a price tag because of the fact that they are not the same company nor have inherited debts

Never once have I encouraged these guys to go in silence and take it how it is.
I have encouraged them to call Gamma Motors and see if they can use leverage to get Gamma to do what they want them to do, OR you can try and get the best deal possible on the money they want to charge you, pay it, and then include it in your lawsuit that you hope to win and get money back..

if it hasn't been clear enough...

EVERYONE WHO HAS BEEN RIPPED OFF BY SAM AND GTM CALL GAMMA MOTORS TO SEE WHAT THEY CAN DO FOR YOU!

Umm...they've called?

birdman71 · 10-06-2015, 06:17 PM

No it took 5 responses for you to understand that the numbers I was using for my examples, which is why you put multiple replies to separate people together.. lol is everyone as dumb as you in Texas? I sure hope not. Plus I've stated to call Gamma motors multiple times for accurate numbers

All of the information I've been stating and elaborating on has been from someone who actually has been to the shop as of recently or has had consistent insight on this entire process and of whom I have personally discussed

The only information I have seen out of either of your or David's posts are that Gamma cannot be trusted ever and about how Sam is a scam and how everyone who does cater to every customers whim should be banned because we have a community.

As a community you should also know that although opinions can differentiate but when you start with the insults and condescending behavior all it does it bring tension among the community.
But seems to me that you guys do not understand that; please do not say that I have done it too and I am the reason why you guys are because the twice I have been insulting or condescending was after it was already dealt.
Remember that respect isn't given freely

Speaking of respect, doesn't seem like David has acknowledged Todd's post.

Also, how is it that you ended up misunderstanding that last statement? They've called everyone on GTM's list? really? then what is with the issue about how people haven't heard from them and have to call them?

10-06-2015, 04:12 PM	#136 (permalink)
Zbrah A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: The370Z.com Posts: 4,956 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 5451	Second example Gamma withholding products and extorting money from paid customers. __________________

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Ill Base Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Bellevue Posts: 177 Drives: 09 370z Base 6MT Rep Power: 13	If Burger King purchased an old McDonalds building, they can't just hand out old Big Macs. Nothing is there for to give out. Now if they offer a discount on a few whoppers, that seems reasonable. I'm really hungry, so the food analogy made sense to me. EVOHUNTER and Eclipz like this. __________________ Old - GTM TT Stage 1 - 487whp / 415wtrq - bunch of goodies. New - 2011 Shelby GT500 - 2.3L VMP TVS - JLT CAI.

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JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 43 Posts: 36,449 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684440	No need for animosity between forum members I think this is a good discussion to have, but we can do it without attacking each other I know Gamma doesn't owe anything to anyone that did business with GTM. But let's just say they are down in the count, primarily due to association. The more they can do on that end, they better they're going to look in people's eyes. Obviously, as a business, they cannot just make everyone whole. It is an unfortunate situation. __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

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JARblue A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Austin, TX Age: 43 Posts: 36,449 Drives: 11 Z34, 98 E36 M3 Rep Power: 2684440	I'm hungry also, so on the food analogy, how would you feel about the following situation: You go into a restaurant, order food, and pay for it. Then while you wait for your food, the restaurant declares bankruptcy, another restaurant buys the recipes (i.e. intellectual property) and opens right back up with essentially the same menu at higher prices and starts taking new orders. Your order number is no longer valid, and the owner of the first restaurant who took your money at the register is still working behind the counter for the new restaurant making the exact same item that you ordered. elperuano and Eclipz like this. __________________ 2011 370Z 6MT Sport Gun Metallic \| ARC \| CJM \| Ecutek \| FI \| Fujimura \| R2C \| SPL \| Stillen \| TWM \| Z1 \| ZSpeed \|

10-06-2015, 05:06 PM	#141 (permalink)
Zbrah A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: The370Z.com Posts: 4,956 Drives: 370Z Rep Power: 5451	I'm "corrupting" who now? lol never knew my words have the powers to corrupt minds of grown adults over the internet. Everything that I said about gamma are being supported by the guys who have had personal experience dealing with gamma. All you and bullit have done is diverting the facts that gamma is commiting extortion to get more money into their pockets. Keep pushing these guys to go away quietly and " work out a deal" with gamma. Please. I and a few others won't sit here and let that happen. If gamma doesn't want to answer their calls. We will continue to put on the heat and give them bad rep in every thread you guys put up until the here guys get what's owed to them. __________________ Last edited by Zbrah; 10-06-2015 at 05:09 PM.

10-06-2015, 05:25 PM	#144 (permalink)
birdman71 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,579 Drives: People Crazy! Rep Power: 40	Everyone should order stuff from Todd at Vivid Racing!!!! Great Vendor! vividracing likes this. __________________ *Birdman's Build:* Powerhouse Amuse/ Nismo/ Eibach/ ACT/ Tommy Kaira/ Avant Garde/ Fast Intentions/ Project Kics/ Fly 1 Motorsports/ EVO-R/ Z1 Motorsports/ Weber Sports/ Zoom/ Zele Japan Last edited by birdman71; 10-06-2015 at 05:27 PM.

10-06-2015, 06:17 PM	#150 (permalink)
birdman71 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 1,579 Drives: People Crazy! Rep Power: 40	No it took 5 responses for you to understand that the numbers I was using for my examples, which is why you put multiple replies to separate people together.. lol is everyone as dumb as you in Texas? I sure hope not. Plus I've stated to call Gamma motors multiple times for accurate numbers All of the information I've been stating and elaborating on has been from someone who actually has been to the shop as of recently or has had consistent insight on this entire process and of whom I have personally discussed The only information I have seen out of either of your or David's posts are that Gamma cannot be trusted ever and about how Sam is a scam and how everyone who does cater to every customers whim should be banned because we have a community. As a community you should also know that although opinions can differentiate but when you start with the insults and condescending behavior all it does it bring tension among the community. But seems to me that you guys do not understand that; please do not say that I have done it too and I am the reason why you guys are because the twice I have been insulting or condescending was after it was already dealt. Remember that respect isn't given freely Speaking of respect, doesn't seem like David has acknowledged Todd's post. Also, how is it that you ended up misunderstanding that last statement? They've called everyone on GTM's list? really? then what is with the issue about how people haven't heard from them and have to call them? __________________ *Birdman's Build:* Powerhouse Amuse/ Nismo/ Eibach/ ACT/ Tommy Kaira/ Avant Garde/ Fast Intentions/ Project Kics/ Fly 1 Motorsports/ EVO-R/ Z1 Motorsports/ Weber Sports/ Zoom/ Zele Japan Last edited by birdman71; 10-06-2015 at 06:21 PM.

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