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Originally Posted by Red__Zed So you did a 50 pull? Not exactly a good way to judge a car. The reason you would have to go out and prove it

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Old 08-31-2011, 11:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
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So you did a 50 pull? Not exactly a good way to judge a car.

The reason you would have to go out and prove it is the other cars embarrass the z in every event. Guys that slap 305 r comps on their nismos get beat by Evo's all the time on a real course. I put 1-2 seconds on a stock z in my wrx.
You do realize that the WRX is a "D" stock car correct?

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That PDF page won't open for me so I had to go by this.
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You do realize that the WRX is a "D" stock car correct?

SCCA Solo Car Classifications: Stock by Class

That PDF page won't open for me so I had to go by this.


Its pointless to explain to him. According to him the Z can only compete with I guess Miatas, Civic SI, Sentra SpecV cars like that I guess.
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Its pointless to explain to him. According to him the Z can only compete with I guess Miatas, Civic SI, Sentra SpecV cars like that I guess.
well, i'm not trying to argue with anyone... it's a subject that has turned into a debate and gone way off topic... the point is that all we can do is go by numbers ... real numbers that have been done. Each magazine has numbers it posts, some may be bribed to give it better numbers for all we know... some may not. You have posted about pulling away from a car, he's posted about beating a Z by "1-2 seconds" in his WRX. The proof is always going to be in the numbers.

I have stated myself that as a former owner of 2 Evos that I feel the handling feels very good in comparison to them. The 06 RS was lighter and was fast, but I only had a TBE, Drop-in, and a LICP with no tune. The car was a lot of fun, but beat the absolute hell out of you and it felt a bit unstable at higher speeds... fast forward 2 years to the Evo X and the computer controls EVERYTHING and I do mean everything. It does the majority of the work, which gives you that little bit of extra confidence when taking turns and such. It was a very fun car. Both as I said though are cheap... the warranty... well, what warranty? It basically is voided the first time you fart in the car, but the drivetrain, the suspension, etc is what you pay for.

I can say all of that, but it doesn't amount to proof. The FACT is that the Nismo is in the B stock, the 370z is in C and the WRX is in fact in D, whether one driver can beat another out of any of those classes doesn't matter because that is what the facts say.
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Its pointless to explain to him. According to him the Z can only compete with I guess Miatas, Civic SI, Sentra SpecV cars like that I guess.
Get out there and do it if it can be done.
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Get out there and do it if it can be done.


Its not that easy for me to pack up and jump onto a track. There all about 100+ miles away. But I will one day and I will probably suck at it and get killed by a Miata because I have no track experience. What are you trying to prove by saying "go out there and do it" The Nismo was over 4 seconds faster around VIR then the WRX, say what you want about Mag test but that is a fact. It was also faster then the current STI.
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Its not that easy for me to pack up and jump onto a track. There all about 100+ miles away. But I will one day and I will probably suck at it and get killed by a Miata because I have no track experience. What are you trying to prove by saying "go out there and do it" The Nismo was over 4 seconds faster around VIR then the WRX, say what you want about Mag test but that is a fact. It was also faster then the current STI.
There's a weekly autocross probably within 10 miles of you.


VIR is not a track I would use to evaluate performance. At all.

It's a fun track, but not at all indicative of how a car will do on most tracks--and it heavily favors the nismo. Stock for stock, i would pick the nismo for VIR. I'd go with the Sti for pretty much everything else that comes to mind
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There's a weekly autocross probably within 10 miles of you.


VIR is not a track I would use to evaluate performance. At all.

It's a fun track, but not at all indicative of how a car will do on most tracks--and it heavily favors the nismo. Stock for stock, i would pick the nismo for VIR. I'd go with the Sti for pretty much everything else that comes to mind

Boy you have an answear for everything. So an AutoX in a crappy tore up parking lot would be a good way to evaluate cars? Just wondering? Cause thats the kind of AutoX events I have near me. VIR is a track correct? Cars go around it and race the clock correct? The Z was faster then the WRX and the STI correct? Why does VIR favor the Nismo?
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Boy you have an answear for everything. So an AutoX in a crappy tore up parking lot would be a good way to evaluate cars? Just wondering? Cause thats the kind of AutoX events I have near me. VIR is a track correct? Cars go around it and race the clock correct? The Z was faster then the WRX and the STI correct? Why does VIR favor the Nismo?
I'm shure he'll come up with something. I think all his discussions always become heated because he's old.
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You do realize that the WRX is a "D" stock car correct?

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That PDF page won't open for me so I had to go by this.
Yep, it is a tire limitation. With Sti width rims, you can run in b stock (and often win).
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