Waiting to Inhale VQ37VHR tuning /modablity

FL 4Motion · 08-30-2011, 05:51 PM

[QUOTE=pyrrhus17;1288390]"The is suppose to be a poor mans sports car. A loaded Auto convert runs close to 50K thats not cheap, so could you imagine if they offered a TT or SC version. Anyone who bought this car thinking they where going to be a stop light champ was sadly mistaken and did not do there reasearch before buying. If you wanted to be the fastest guy around in a straight line you shoudl have bought a Vette or the 5.0"

Thats my point the car is not cheap nor is it a sports car , cheap like a 240sx I can go with or 50k and I can go around the track more than twice .I dont care about drag speed. I care about handling and speed and the TT 300z weren't that expensive back in the day (research done ) .the fact that you have to spend 2k to get your car in track shape is ******** ,again (oilcooler , brake venting , radiator, ) .I love the car really , but NISSAN could have at least vented the brakes and given us a oilcooler WTF

RED ZED is a perfect example of the type of Z owner I am talking about ,Nissan is missing something here .Him and evryone like HIM . I am not into driving a moder fricking MG or Triumph Tr6 call myself a sports car and be slower than a toyota corolla . Reasearch done ! This car should be contender and it doesn't feel like it is . P.S. No one tracks there cars because A. it overheats ,Not fun . B they buy a 944 to track which is more fun.[/QUOTE]

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our car has already seen track days and will see many many more. Z just needs and oil cooler and brake pads/fluid to track. As you get more serious, you can add in some more things, but this is all the same stuff you'll be adding to just about any car as you start tracking it, (esp for any car in the Z's price range).

Oh, and for an n/a Z, radiator upgrade isn't necessary.

Cmike2780 · 08-30-2011, 06:06 PM

^^ very much agree. Of course an older car would be less expensive to track than a newer car. Less than $1k to get it track ready is pretty "affordable" for people who would track a 370. Besides, you should only track what you can afford to crash. The Z may no longer be the fastest in this range, but it's far from slow. There's more to it than it's ability to be track worthy. Have seen what some Mazeratti's run in the quarter, flawed, but it hardly means in any less of a sports car.

Methodical4u · 08-30-2011, 07:11 PM

I've read a few articles... the Z is comparable and even beats the BMW 135i stock for stock in many areas... it also ran pretty comparable numbers to the Cayman S, though it doesn't have as much power as the Z it's 250 lbs lighter.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

^^ very much agree. Of course an older car would be less expensive to track than a newer car. Less than $1k to get it track ready is pretty "affordable" for people who would track a 370. Besides, you should only track what you can afford to crash. The Z may no longer be the fastest in this range, but it's far from slow. There's more to it than it's ability to be track worthy. Have seen what some Mazeratti's run in the quarter, flawed, but it hardly means in any less of a sports car.

My beef here is the (potential) warranty issues created by the oil cooler.

theDreamer · 08-30-2011, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

My beef here is the (potential) warranty issues created by the oil cooler.

You can go with the Nismo cooler and dealership install it.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

You can go with the Nismo cooler and dealership install it.

still not warrantied if the cooler fails.

theDreamer · 08-30-2011, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

still not warrantied if the cooler fails.

The oil cooler?
The car is still under warranty even with the oil cooler, the Nismo cooler has a separate limited warranty.

Methodical4u · 08-30-2011, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

still not warrantied if the cooler fails.

I would imagine that would depend on the dealer. Some are "mod friendly".... others, not so much.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer

The oil cooler?
The car is still under warranty even with the oil cooler, the Nismo cooler has a separate limited warranty.

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Originally Posted by Wally

After asking the dealership to put this in writing they quickly backed down since the Nissan Oil Cooler is considered a nismo competition part and does not come with any type of warranty from Nissan. The dealer will only point towards you warranty manual which is vague on the issue. I also checked around with other dealerships with the same response. Dealers say that by putting on an oil cooler will not affect you warranty unless the oil cooler fails and causes the damage. (Which from a legal standpoint I understand that this is the case) From several talks with consumer affairs, by placing an oil cooler on the vehicle that they classify as a competition part that the car has been modified for competition use therefore having the potential to void your power train warranty however the did say that your radio would still be covered.

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Originally Posted by Modshack

Again, good luck on that. You may have high expectations as to what "Warranty" will cover and what a dealer will actually put in writing. According to Nissan, your overall warranty is not void with this install, but the part itself is not warrantied. If it fails and takes out an engine, I doubt Nissan will consider that a warranted item. Their position on this is: (Emphasis on the last paragraph)

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Originally Posted by Nissan USA
The 370Z has an engine protection system that reduces peak engine speeds when the oil temperature exceeds recommended levels in order to protect against possible engine damage. Aggressive driving of the 370Z on a race track at sustained high engine speeds can cause increases in oil temperature and may activate this engine protection system. To avoid activation of this engine protection system and these reduced peak engine speeds, Nissan recommends an oil cooler be fitted to the 370Z before driving it on a race track. A Nissan Motorsports accessory oil cooler kit is available for customer purchase through authorized Nissan dealerships for race track use. The part number is 21300-SS370.

An oil cooler is not necessary for normal operation of the vehicle on public roads. The addition of an oil cooler would have raised the price of the car and potentially moved it out of the reach of some customers. Value has been a core principle of the Z car since the original 240Z and we choose to uphold this core principle by not adding additional costs that are unnecessary for normal use. For those individuals who choose to drive their vehicle on a race track, the oil cooler is available as an aftersales item.

The oil cooler is a Nissan Motorsports item and as such is sold without warranty, express or implied, unless expressly prohibited by law in which case the warranty provided is the minimum required by law. The installation of the Nissan Motorsports oil cooler does not, by itself, “void” the vehicle warranty. However any damage caused by the installation or use of this part is expressly excluded under the terms of the Nissan New Vehicle Limited warranty.

They're R Nissan parts, so their use is not warrantied officially. I haven't seen anyone have success in getting them warrantied (in writing).

red6spd · 08-30-2011, 09:57 PM

I dont understand? The Z is as fast or faster then 135i, 335i, Evo, STI/WRX, New Camaro, RX8. But it had to be knocked down to a lower class? What cars was it competing with? Enzos, Lambos, ZR1 Vettes????

Cmike2780 · 08-30-2011, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

They're R Nissan parts, so their use is not warrantied officially. I haven't seen anyone have success in getting them warrantied (in writing).

Warranty is only effected if it was shown to cause damage/malfunction and even then only applies to the part directly related to cause said damage/malfunction. Applied correctly, an oil cooler shouldn't cause any problems. I have yet to see anyone on this forum denied warranty work because of an oil cooler. A few have come close, but in the end it was shown not to be the cause. I would have figured you of all people would know a thing or two about the Magnuson-Moss warranty act.

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Originally Posted by red6spd

I dont understand? The Z is as fast or faster then 135i, 335i, Evo, STI/WRX, New Camaro, RX8. But it had to be knocked down to a lower class? What cars was it competing with? Enzos, Lambos, ZR1 Vettes????

I don't get that either. My old RX-8 was far slower the 370. Maybe the guys driving the Z had fat chicks in the passenger seat.

Red__Zed · 08-30-2011, 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

I dont understand? The Z is as fast or faster then 135i, 335i, Evo, STI/WRX, New Camaro, RX8. But it had to be knocked down to a lower class? What cars was it competing with? Enzos, Lambos, ZR1 Vettes????

No, it is several classes down from even base vettes. It cannot compete with the EVO/STI etc. Not sure why that is so hard for you to understand.

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Originally Posted by Cmike2780

Warranty is only effected if it was shown to cause damage/malfunction and even then only applies to the part directly related to cause said damage/malfunction. Applied correctly, an oil cooler shouldn't cause any problems. I have yet to see anyone on this forum denied warranty work because of an oil cooler. A few have come close, but in the end it was shown not to be the cause. I would have figured you of all people would know a thing or two about the Magnuson-Moss warranty act.

I don't get that either. My old RX-8 was far slower the 370. Maybe the guys driving the Z had fat chicks in the passenger seat.

Magnuson-Moss is the most overstated act by people that have never made a warranty claim on a modded car.

Besides, my worry is issues caused by the cooler. A whole ton of people have blown fittings--it happens from time to time.

esfourteen · 08-30-2011, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by red6spd

I dont understand? The Z is as fast or faster then 135i, 335i, Evo, STI/WRX, New Camaro, RX8. But it had to be knocked down to a lower class? What cars was it competing with? Enzos, Lambos, ZR1 Vettes????

He's talking about SCCA classes for autox, you can see the list here:

http://www.scca.org/documents/Solo_R...solo_rules.pdf

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Besides, my worry is issues caused by the cooler. A whole ton of people have blown fittings--it happens from time to time.

agreed, I really hate having to add something like an oil cooler.

FL 4Motion · 08-31-2011, 02:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

My beef here is the (potential) warranty issues created by the oil cooler.

Well, on this issue, we agree. However, if you have a good dealer, (i know, hard to find but they're out there), then that does lower this particular risk somewhat.

I will be the first to say that on the Nismo esp and also the sport pkg Zs, an oil cooler should have at least been an optional "accessory" like the Nismo brake pads are. Still, not something that most folks won't need to add to any other car that sees hard track time and then you'd be in the same boat warrantee wise.

Evo X's with the DCT (or whatever they call their dual clutch manual) have trans overheating issues on track I've read and require a trans cooler for serious track use, that's going to be a warrantee nightmare if anything ever went wrong as well.

In this price bracket, there are going to be compromises, or you buy a higher class of car used for the same as a new Z, evo etc and hopefully it's going to last you and not have been beat to sh!t by the last owner.

Methodical4u · 08-31-2011, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by FL 4Motion

Well, on this issue, we agree. However, if you have a good dealer, (i know, hard to find but they're out there), then that does lower this particular risk somewhat.

I will be the first to say that on the Nismo esp and also the sport pkg Zs, an oil cooler should have at least been an optional "accessory" like the Nismo brake pads are. Still, not something that most folks won't need to add to any other car that sees hard track time and then you'd be in the same boat warrantee wise.

Evo X's with the DCT (or whatever they call their dual clutch manual) have trans overheating issues on track I've read and require a trans cooler for serious track use, that's going to be a warrantee nightmare if anything ever went wrong as well.

In this price bracket, there are going to be compromises, or you buy a higher class of car used for the same as a new Z, evo etc and hopefully it's going to last you and not have been beat to sh!t by the last owner.

SST... and yes, they have a lot of failures with their autos when getting near or a little over 400 whp.

08-30-2011, 06:06 PM	#77 (permalink)
Cmike2780 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 5,059 Drives: slowwww Rep Power: 28	^^ very much agree. Of course an older car would be less expensive to track than a newer car. Less than $1k to get it track ready is pretty "affordable" for people who would track a 370. Besides, you should only track what you can afford to crash. The Z may no longer be the fastest in this range, but it's far from slow. There's more to it than it's ability to be track worthy. Have seen what some Mazeratti's run in the quarter, flawed, but it hardly means in any less of a sports car. __________________ [09][MB][6-Spd MT][Touring][Stillen Gen III][K&N][Borla CBE][Evo-R] [ArchitTEK Photography]

08-30-2011, 09:57 PM	#85 (permalink)
red6spd A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Long Island NY Posts: 3,277 Drives: 2010 Z Coupe M6 SPT Rep Power: 21	I dont understand? The Z is as fast or faster then 135i, 335i, Evo, STI/WRX, New Camaro, RX8. But it had to be knocked down to a lower class? What cars was it competing with? Enzos, Lambos, ZR1 Vettes???? __________________ 2010 Base+Sport 6spd: Stillen G3, FI Non-Resonated CBE, FI Non-Resonated Test Pipes, UpRev Tuned, Custom 24R Oil Cooler, JDM Rear Fog-OEM Harness. ???Whp ???WTQ (Will find out come spring time)

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08-30-2011, 05:51 PM	#76 (permalink)
FL 4Motion A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: FL Posts: 4,776 Drives: Baby Shark Rep Power: 701615	[QUOTE=pyrrhus17;1288390]"The is suppose to be a poor mans sports car. A loaded Auto convert runs close to 50K thats not cheap, so could you imagine if they offered a TT or SC version. Anyone who bought this car thinking they where going to be a stop light champ was sadly mistaken and did not do there reasearch before buying. If you wanted to be the fastest guy around in a straight line you shoudl have bought a Vette or the 5.0" Thats my point the car is not cheap nor is it a sports car , cheap like a 240sx I can go with or 50k and I can go around the track more than twice .I dont care about drag speed. I care about handling and speed and the TT 300z weren't that expensive back in the day (research done ) .the fact that you have to spend 2k to get your car in track shape is ****** ,again (oilcooler , brake venting , radiator, ) .I love the car really , but NISSAN could have at least vented the brakes and given us a oilcooler WTF RED ZED is a perfect example of the type of Z owner I am talking about ,Nissan is missing something here .Him and evryone like HIM . I am not into driving a moder fricking MG or Triumph Tr6 call myself a sports car and be slower than a toyota corolla . Reasearch done ! This car should be contender and it doesn't feel like it is . P.S. No one tracks there cars because A. it overheats ,Not fun . B they buy a 944 to track which is more fun.[/**QUOTE] /\ our car has already seen track days and will see many many more. Z just needs and oil cooler and brake pads/fluid to track. As you get more serious, you can add in some more things, but this is all the same stuff you'll be adding to just about any car as you start tracking it, (esp for any car in the Z's price range). Oh, and for an n/a Z, radiator upgrade isn't necessary.

08-30-2011, 07:11 PM	#78 (permalink)
Methodical4u A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,393 Drives: 11 370 6mt pw w/sp Rep Power: 15	I've read a few articles... the Z is comparable and even beats the BMW 135i stock for stock in many areas... it also ran pretty comparable numbers to the Cayman S, though it doesn't have as much power as the Z it's 250 lbs lighter.