Oil cooler thoughts

Red__Zed · 04-03-2011, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen

Go with the 25 row if you plan on ever seeing the track.

Is there anything that backs up the 19 not being enough?

Nikkolai · 04-03-2011, 07:41 PM

I say go Modshack; most cost effective and gets the job done.

Red__Zed · 04-03-2011, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikkolai

I say go Modshack; most cost effective and gets the job done.

Don't have the tools/time. I'm living between two apartments, and most of my tools have been lost, stolen, or given away through the moves.

Trips · 04-03-2011, 07:42 PM

Go Big! or Go HOME!!

Jamaica · 04-03-2011, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Is there anything that backs up the 19 not being enough?

i dont think 19 will be enough for a track.

ZCarMan · 04-03-2011, 07:43 PM

I ran my 19 row Setrab oil cooler from AAM Competition at the track in Alabama as part of Z Nationals last September and the temps that day were easily 100+F. On the track by noon was hotter and I never saw my oil temps over 200.

Mike · 04-03-2011, 08:35 PM

I've got the modshack 24 row true cool and it handles the track just fine. If I recall, I only had to cut a couple hoses and make a bracket, but it really wasn't any more work than buying a premade kit. However, one of my fittings failed and I hit a tire wall when I crashed, so that should be a consideration too.

Other than what I have with some 4000 psi hydraulic hoses now, I would just buy the Z1 kit.

esfourteen · 04-03-2011, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Is there anything that backs up the 19 not being enough?

im sure it depends on the type of track, oil used, and how much power you are making, but from other comments I've seen the 19 row was still able to get into the 240's on a hot track day. Also if you are considering going FI in the future it's even more of a reason to go with a larger cooler now.

FWIW I have the 25 row Z1 kit, its a great kit but my only compliant would be using lines that are maybe a bit thicker than necessary, makes it difficult to route the lines but once it's in it's fine.

Red__Zed · 04-03-2011, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by esfourteen

im sure it depends on the type of track, oil used, and how much power you are making, but from other comments I've seen the 19 row was still able to get into the 240's on a hot track day. Also if you are considering going FI in the future it's even more of a reason to go with a larger cooler now.

Definitely not going FI on this platform.

esfourteen · 04-03-2011, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed

Definitely not going FI on this platform.

I wish I could say the same, I battle with this question daily

docaam · 04-04-2011, 02:24 AM

I have this from GTM, not sure it was 19 or 25 row, but works perfectly in our weather

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spearfish25 · 04-04-2011, 07:50 AM

Guys, you can still peg a Z at 280F with a 19 row cooler on a hot day. It all depends on how you drive. If you're conservative on track and typically upshift early (don't keep the revs at 5k+), you won't have temp issues. If you're aggressive and downshift into second in corners and really dog it, you'll still spike your temps with a 19 row cooler. A 25 row does better, but some guys just go the 34 row route (best for F/I). If you have a 19row on a 100F day and only see 200F oil temps, you're driving very conservatively.

The beauty of the oil cooler is that your temps come down much faster when you ease off the throttle for a short period. You can have 240F temps and one easy lap will have you back at your thermostat plate temp.

flashburn · 04-04-2011, 08:56 AM

Hell, I saw over 225 with my 34R on a day where it only hit about 50 degrees at Sebring. And this was only my first event. I can imagine when I'm pushing it harder and on a 95+ degree day I'll easily be over 240.

spdonegan · 04-04-2011, 09:17 AM

The Mishimoto racing thermostat is 66C which is 151F, quite a bit colder than the suggested 200-205F?

RCZ · 04-04-2011, 09:21 AM

FWIW. I had the Stillen 19 row and that was not enough to keep me comfortable on the track. Switched to a Jnaut hybrid and I haven't seen temps past 220 yet, but I haven't taken it to the track. For my next oil change I'm switching over to a GTM 34row cooler, they have the best price for the biggest core. GTM's 34 row cooler is listed as 13X2X10.25 = 266ci. The Z1 Cooler is listed as 13X1.25X10.25 = 166ci.

The question is...is GTM's core really that much bigger or is there a typo on their website. Can comment on this? GTM?

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ZCarMan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: MD Posts: 4,488 Drives: 09 Z34, 13 F-150 Rep Power: 26	I ran my 19 row Setrab oil cooler from AAM Competition at the track in Alabama as part of Z Nationals last September and the temps that day were easily 100+F. On the track by noon was hotter and I never saw my oil temps over 200. __________________ Jon Swift \| SPC \| Stillen \| Motordyne \| AAM \| Cobb \| Hawk \| Volk Racing \| Bridgestone Green Demon Eyes

04-03-2011, 08:35 PM	#22 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2186	I've got the modshack 24 row true cool and it handles the track just fine. If I recall, I only had to cut a couple hoses and make a bracket, but it really wasn't any more work than buying a premade kit. However, one of my fittings failed and I hit a tire wall when I crashed, so that should be a consideration too. Other than what I have with some 4000 psi hydraulic hoses now, I would just buy the Z1 kit. __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

04-04-2011, 02:24 AM	#26 (permalink)
docaam A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Dubai Posts: 2,532 Drives: Z34/240z/Hakosuka Rep Power: 28	I have this from GTM, not sure it was 19 or 25 row, but works perfectly in our weather GTM Motorsports::ENGINE EXTERNALS::GTM HD OIL COOLER FOR VQ __________________ Old 370Z SOLD but not forgotten 370Z 40th, G37s, S30 RBZ, Hakosuka Skyline

04-04-2011, 07:50 AM	#27 (permalink)
spearfish25 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 4,117 Drives: to work Rep Power: 1856	Guys, you can still peg a Z at 280F with a 19 row cooler on a hot day. It all depends on how you drive. If you're conservative on track and typically upshift early (don't keep the revs at 5k+), you won't have temp issues. If you're aggressive and downshift into second in corners and really dog it, you'll still spike your temps with a 19 row cooler. A 25 row does better, but some guys just go the 34 row route (best for F/I). If you have a 19row on a 100F day and only see 200F oil temps, you're driving very conservatively. The beauty of the oil cooler is that your temps come down much faster when you ease off the throttle for a short period. You can have 240F temps and one easy lap will have you back at your thermostat plate temp. __________________ 2013 Cadillac V-Wagon, RIP Z

04-03-2011, 07:41 PM	#17 (permalink)
Nikkolai Base Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: DFW Posts: 238 Drives: Boss 302, Frontier Rep Power: 14	I say go Modshack; most cost effective and gets the job done.

04-04-2011, 08:56 AM	#28 (permalink)
flashburn A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2009 Location: Central Florida Posts: 1,884 Drives: '12 Corvette GS 6M Rep Power: 19	Hell, I saw over 225 with my 34R on a day where it only hit about 50 degrees at Sebring. And this was only my first event. I can imagine when I'm pushing it harder and on a 95+ degree day I'll easily be over 240. __________________ Current Ride: 2012 Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport Centennial Edition Carbon Flash 6M Previous Ride: 2009 Nissan 370Z Sport Platinum Graphite 7AT

04-04-2011, 09:17 AM	#29 (permalink)
spdonegan Base Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Stanton, CA, USA Posts: 27 Drives: 11 Nissan 370Z Red A Rep Power: 14	The Mishimoto racing thermostat is 66C which is 151F, quite a bit colder than the suggested 200-205F?

04-04-2011, 09:21 AM	#30 (permalink)
RCZ A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 6,403 Drives: '09 370Z Rep Power: 1118	FWIW. I had the Stillen 19 row and that was not enough to keep me comfortable on the track. Switched to a Jnaut hybrid and I haven't seen temps past 220 yet, but I haven't taken it to the track. For my next oil change I'm switching over to a GTM 34row cooler, they have the best price for the biggest core. GTM's 34 row cooler is listed as 13X2X10.25 = 266ci. The Z1 Cooler is listed as 13X1.25X10.25 = 166ci. The question is...is GTM's core really that much bigger or is there a typo on their website. Can comment on this? GTM?

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