Hayden / Napa / Summit oil cooler kit. Anyone?

Unclemeaty · 02-23-2011, 07:30 AM

EDIT Note: Since installing this kit, everything seems GREAT. Please make sure if you want to try this yourself to please read through this entire thread. Theres stuff added to this every so often. The latest addition is important enough to post up first. If you are going to buy/try this kit, sincerely think about picking up 4 of the following T-Bolt style hose clamps:

Mikalor 19-21mm T-Bolt Clamp

http://www.amazon.com/Mikalor-301902...9176500&sr=8-1

Hey all,

The other day I was going through my local Napa store, and asked the counter for advice on Oil Coolers for my car. The guy showed me several in his computer system, and he had one in stock. Here it is:

Store Locator | NAPA Online

The oil cooler kit is "Made in the USA"

From Napa:

Quote:

Engine Oil Cooler
Product Line: NAPA Automatic Transmission Parts

Part Number: ATP 17506

Price: Price
Unit
:
:
139.00
Each

Availability: Call NAPA Store at (678) 331-1830

Features & Benefits Lightweight Aluminum Construction, Ultrasonically Soldered For Maximum Reliability, Turbulators In Every Tube Provides Up To 60 Degrees F Of Additional Cooling, Thermostatically Controlled To Provide Cooling Only When Needed, Leak Tested To 300 psi

Warranty 5 Years or 50,000 Miles Whichever Occurs First

Attributes Contents : Hose, Hose Clamps, Mounting Hardware & Hose Coupler
Oil Cooler Height : 7 1/2"
Oil Cooler Length : 12 3/4"
Oil Cooler Width : 3/4"

Material Safety Data Sheet There is no MSDS for this item

From Summit:

Quote:

Brand Hayden Automotive
Manufacturer's Part Number 459
Part Type Fluid Coolers
Product Line Hayden Fluid Coolers
Summit Racing Part Number HDA-459
UPC 036752004591

Overall Height (in) 7.500 in.
Overall Width (in) 12.500 in.
Overall Thickness (in) 0.750 in.
Cooler Construction Tube and fin
Cooler Material Aluminum
Inlet Size 1/2 in.
Inlet Attachment Nipple
Outlet Size 1/2 in.
Outlet Attachment Nipple
Core Width (in) 8.750 in.
Cooler Finish Natural
Quantity Sold as a kit.
Notes Includes hose, adapter, and mounting hardware.

My first thought was this oil cooler was designed for SAE and non-metric vehicles, so I asked to take a look at the kit they had in stock. For one, the sandwich plate IS of thermostatic design, and the kit DOES include the 20mm sandwitch adapter to thread onto a 370z. The included ~12 feet of rubber hose didnt look like it was rated for oil, so I wrote down the number and did my reasearch - The host itself IS rated for oil, at 300PSI peak pressure. That being said, it might be better to eventually get at least -8 AN hose/fittings as I dont trust the host-barb fittings and rubber for years and years.

Summit.com sells the same kit as Napa, and it is even LESS expensive. Napa wants $139, Summit wants $96.

Hayden Automotive 459 - Hayden Fluid Coolers - Overview - SummitRacing.com

Anybody try using one of these? I know its of 'fin' type but so is our power steering cooler.

I'm very tempted to give it a try...

RockStarKick · 02-23-2011, 08:59 AM

I think this would probably work out fine with some better lines and at $95. If the fin type
cooler starts to get ruined by rocks or debris you could replace with a better one.

ChrisSlicks · 02-23-2011, 09:05 AM

The hose itself isn't going to fail but I wouldn't trust the simple burr fittings with the high pressures that our oil pumps put out. There is also no mounting bracket for the cooler so all you can do is tie wrap it to something. I could use it as a supersized power steering cooler though!

RockStarKick · 02-23-2011, 09:08 AM

What is the factory oil psi ?

Unclemeaty · 02-23-2011, 11:42 AM

Quote:

There is also no mounting bracket for the cooler so all you can do is tie wrap it to something.

Actually, the zip-ties included with the kit are designed for you to fasten cooler directly to the radiator/condensor by snaking the tie through them. There are included 1/4 inch rubber spacers that allow the components to stay seperated when finally squeezed together. The slight downside I believe would be how to get the zip-tie through the stock pieces but it should be OK. The cooler weighed practcally nothing. With oil I'd imaging it wouldnt weight more than about 2 lb.

Unclemeaty · 02-23-2011, 11:47 AM

Quote:

What is the factory oil psi ?

Not totally sure (wish upRev had it in the logs) but likely ~40 at idle and ~110 at anything higher 2000 rpm. It probably doesnt go any higher than about 110psi. Someone else chime in please if you know this.

Edit. Found out from serching google that a 350z can hit about 115psi oil pressure at full RPM.

RockStarKick · 02-23-2011, 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unclemeaty

Not totally sure (wish upRev had it in the logs) but likely ~40 at idle and ~110 at anything higher 2000 rpm. It probably doesnt go any higher than about 110psi. Someone else chime in please if you know this.

Edit. Found out from serching google that a 350z can hit about 115psi oil pressure at full RPM.

Thanks, good to know..

Unclemeaty · 02-23-2011, 01:09 PM

Quote:

The hose itself isn't going to fail but I wouldn't trust the simple burr fittings with the high pressures that our oil pumps put out.

I was just doing some more reasearch on this, and; since I dont really like the Brass/Barb/Burr hose fittings myself as they do tend to be a failure for a lot of things... I've been subjectivly looking at a different style of fitting. I located this at Advance Auto Parts (and likely other places).

I'm in the process of looking for a better hose clamp than the worm style. I'd like to use/find the T-Bolt style commonly found with fuel injection systems; only they are hard to come by at ~1 inch diameters.

Also, Amazon.com sells this oil cooler kit for $85 located here:

Amazon.com: Hayden, Inc. 459 Oil Cooler: Automotive

RockStarKick · 02-23-2011, 02:12 PM

Check these out..

AN Fittings

If it was me doing it, I would go with the stainless steel line and the AN fittings.

RedBullRR · 02-23-2011, 02:27 PM

Keep us posted if you do this. I am highly interested in doing this. I don't track my car much, but know an oil cooler is a must even in hot summer days.

ChrisSlicks · 02-23-2011, 03:13 PM

But what about the cooler end fittings? The fittings on the cooler itself appear to be part of the flow tube, I can't see a way to change those out?

RockStarKick · 02-23-2011, 03:25 PM

IMHO, I think this is better.. Good price too.

Amazon.com: Aluminum Universal 16 Row Oil Cooler Kit High Performance: Automotive

SPOHN · 02-23-2011, 04:27 PM

I know everybody wants to save a buck. But somethings as this I wouldn't. Are you just looking for a basic oil cooler kit? Best just to use GTM, Z1, or Stillen. Plus there made for are cars. So far as hose length and all.

Unclemeaty · 02-24-2011, 08:37 AM

I think Im gonna try this kit out. I found out that Napa will price match Summit since I'm within about 50 miles from the main Summit store. The only things I'm going to change are the hose clamps, and I'm going to try replacing the brass barb 3/8 NPT fitting to something steel.

RockStarKick · 02-24-2011, 08:54 AM

Just FYI, the hose barb fittings if paired with the correct ID hose are very secure. We incorporate those into a lot of assemblies at work and trying to get
the hose off after it's installed correctly is a real pain. We usually end up just
cutting a slit in the hose to be able to pull it off..

02-23-2011, 08:59 AM	#2 (permalink)
RockStarKick Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Posts: 298 Drives: it like a rental Rep Power: 14	I think this would probably work out fine with some better lines and at $95. If the fin type cooler starts to get ruined by rocks or debris you could replace with a better one. __________________ 2013 Mustang GT, 6M, Track Pack & Leather Recaros 2011 Pearl White 6M /Sport Pkg - SOLD

02-23-2011, 09:05 AM	#3 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 653	The hose itself isn't going to fail but I wouldn't trust the simple burr fittings with the high pressures that our oil pumps put out. There is also no mounting bracket for the cooler so all you can do is tie wrap it to something. I could use it as a supersized power steering cooler though! __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

02-23-2011, 09:08 AM	#4 (permalink)
RockStarKick Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Posts: 298 Drives: it like a rental Rep Power: 14	What is the factory oil psi ? __________________ 2013 Mustang GT, 6M, Track Pack & Leather Recaros 2011 Pearl White 6M /Sport Pkg - SOLD

02-23-2011, 02:12 PM	#9 (permalink)
RockStarKick Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Posts: 298 Drives: it like a rental Rep Power: 14	Check these out.. AN Fittings If it was me doing it, I would go with the stainless steel line and the AN fittings. __________________ 2013 Mustang GT, 6M, Track Pack & Leather Recaros 2011 Pearl White 6M /Sport Pkg - SOLD

02-23-2011, 03:13 PM	#11 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 653	But what about the cooler end fittings? The fittings on the cooler itself appear to be part of the flow tube, I can't see a way to change those out? __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

02-23-2011, 02:27 PM	#10 (permalink)
RedBullRR Enthusiast Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Suffolk Posts: 336 Drives: 2010 370Z Red Rep Power: 14	Keep us posted if you do this. I am highly interested in doing this. I don't track my car much, but know an oil cooler is a must even in hot summer days.

02-23-2011, 03:25 PM	#12 (permalink)
RockStarKick Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Posts: 298 Drives: it like a rental Rep Power: 14	IMHO, I think this is better.. Good price too. Amazon.com: Aluminum Universal 16 Row Oil Cooler Kit High Performance: Automotive __________________ 2013 Mustang GT, 6M, Track Pack & Leather Recaros 2011 Pearl White 6M /Sport Pkg - SOLD

02-23-2011, 04:27 PM	#13 (permalink)
SPOHN A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Covington, GA Age: 45 Posts: 14,844 Drives: Waiting on next Z Rep Power: 221	I know everybody wants to save a buck. But somethings as this I wouldn't. Are you just looking for a basic oil cooler kit? Best just to use GTM, Z1, or Stillen. Plus there made for are cars. So far as hose length and all. __________________

02-24-2011, 08:37 AM	#14 (permalink)
Unclemeaty Base Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Atlanta Posts: 203 Drives: 150cc Scooter Rep Power: 14	I think Im gonna try this kit out. I found out that Napa will price match Summit since I'm within about 50 miles from the main Summit store. The only things I'm going to change are the hose clamps, and I'm going to try replacing the brass barb 3/8 NPT fitting to something steel.

02-24-2011, 08:54 AM	#15 (permalink)
RockStarKick Enthusiast Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston Posts: 298 Drives: it like a rental Rep Power: 14	Just FYI, the hose barb fittings if paired with the correct ID hose are very secure. We incorporate those into a lot of assemblies at work and trying to get the hose off after it's installed correctly is a real pain. We usually end up just cutting a slit in the hose to be able to pull it off.. __________________ 2013 Mustang GT, 6M, Track Pack & Leather Recaros 2011 Pearl White 6M /Sport Pkg - SOLD

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