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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash Mass-produced street-legal passenger cars as NOT built for competition no matter how much people who buy "performance" cars want them to be and no matter what

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Old 11-25-2009, 12:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Mass-produced street-legal passenger cars as NOT built for competition no matter how much people who buy "performance" cars want them to be and no matter what some New York ad agency does in commercials.
This might be slightly OT, but I've always wondered about something. I don't have a problem with saying that mass-produced street-legal cars aren't for competition or track use or whatever. But why sell mass-produced street-legal cars with top speeds of 150 mph then? I mean, it's kind of a mixed message, isn't it? Here, buy our car that is capable of speeds well in excess of any speed limit in the country. Oh but the car isn't intended to actually be driven at those speeds. You know what people say about driving fast, right? "Take it to the track!" Okay, so you take it to the track, only for manufacturers to say "Hey our cars aren't intended for track/competition use. No warranty for you!!!"
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This might be slightly OT, but I've always wondered about something. I don't have a problem with saying that mass-produced street-legal cars aren't for competition or track use or whatever. But why sell mass-produced street-legal cars with top speeds of 150 mph then? I mean, it's kind of a mixed message, isn't it? Here, buy our car that is capable of speeds well in excess of any speed limit in the country. Oh but the car isn't intended to actually be driven at those speeds. You know what people say about driving fast, right? "Take it to the track!" Okay, so you take it to the track, only for manufacturers to say "Hey our cars aren't intended for track/competition use. No warranty for you!!!"
Because they can.

Because people want them.

They excite people and bring people into the showrooms (even people who can't buy them either for $ reasons or practical reasons).

Engineers like designing performance cars.

Auto executives like building performance cars.

How many more reasons do you want???

However, most manufacturers aren't going to risk bankrupting themselves by telling people they can go race their cars on a track somewhere.
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I don't have a problem with saying that mass-produced street-legal cars aren't for competition or track use or whatever. But why sell mass-produced street-legal cars with top speeds of 150 mph then? I mean, it's kind of a mixed message, isn't it? Here, buy our car that is capable of speeds well in excess of any speed limit in the country. Oh but the car isn't intended to actually be driven at those speeds. You know what people say about driving fast, right? "Take it to the track!"
Amusing anecdote from 1983....Back then I worked for the Honda M/C division...We introduced the fastest and most aggressive street bike ever for it's day, the VF1100 Magna. You may or not remember the wild smokey drag strip burnouts (by Peewee Gleason, a professional drag racer) in the intro ad. It was exciting. It dragged people into showrooms by the droves. Unfortunately the sales guys failed to check with the legal guys on this (the Japaneses were a bit Naive at the time). The "implied usage" was determined to be a problem and the ad was pulled... These days it is rare to see a car or bike portrayed in a race environment without a paragraph of disclaimers. One of the greatest Corvette ads ever got canned for much the same reason....Promoting underage and reckless driving. The Lawyers control our world, like it or not..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/uG0Ba-wef6M&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/uG0Ba-wef6M&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>
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Amusing anecdote from 1983....Back then I worked for the Honda M/C division...We introduced the fastest and most aggressive street bike ever for it's day, the VF1100 Magna. You may or not remember the wild smokey drag strip burnouts (by Peewee Gleason, a professional drag racer) in the intro ad. It was exciting. It dragged people into showrooms by the droves. Unfortunately the sales guys failed to check with the legal guys on this (the Japaneses were a bit Naive at the time). The "implied usage" was determined to be a problem and the ad was pulled... These days it is rare to see a car or bike portrayed in a race environment without a paragraph of disclaimers. One of the greatest Corvette ads ever got canned for much the same reason....Promoting underage and reckless driving. The Lawyers control our world, like it or not..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/uG0Ba-wef6M&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always">


Man, that IS a great Corvette commercial...... and the use of the Stones "Jumpin' Jack Flash" just heats it up even more

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Man, that IS a great Corvette commercial...... and the use of the Stones "Jumpin' Jack Flash" just heats it up even more

"How dare they entice children to drive recklessly and pollute the environment like that"
Yeah, that's a great one!

Here's the Bike ad that got us into trouble...

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Man...what a shame that commercial got pulled.

When I was a kid I use to sit for hours in my Mom/Dad's cars (and we had some great ones) as well as my Uncle's '67 GTO and dream of the day I could drive something like it.
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