Everyone with oil temp issues

370Zsteve · 11-25-2009, 08:54 AM

Seems to me his coupe is still stock and he doesn't have any problems. Wow, man, let it go. You drive a very expensive, overpriced German car now, enjoy the inflated repair bills. Isn't there a Porsche forum you can go to and bash Nissan? Better yet, go to the GT-R forum where they will laugh at your car's lack of performance.

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Modshack · 11-25-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 370Zsteve

Seems to me his coupe is still stock and he doesn't have any problems. Wow, man, let it go.

"Other than normal" would be track use. Robert did not cause whatever "issues" people think they are having, nor is he in a position to speak for Nissan on this issue. He's been more than forthcoming here..

ChrisSlicks · 11-25-2009, 10:03 AM

Easy there Steve, Alan's not bashing. He's just looking for an honest answer that no one at Nissan is willing to give, quite a few of us are, most of us have given up.

At this point I have no problem adding an oil cooler to my car, but I too find it disappointing that one was not available as a factory option given that all the press cars did. Sure the press are pretty hard on the cars, a couple of them were even crashed from the brakes giving out (different issue), but all the magazine reviews clearly listed the oil coolers as options - that weren't available. I for one am simply stunned that the Nismo doesn't come with a cooler standard from the factory, I'm sure Nissan has there reasons but they aren't talking. No one from Nissan will give you a straight and honest answer.

Modshack · 11-25-2009, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

Easy there Steve, Alan's not bashing. He's just looking for an honest answer that no one at Nissan is willing to give, quite a few of us are, most of us have given up.

No one from Nissan will give you a straight and honest answer.

I think a statement has already been issued on this (many many pages ago):

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Originally Posted by Nissan USA
The 370Z has an engine protection system that reduces peak engine speeds when the oil temperature exceeds recommended levels in order to protect against possible engine damage. Aggressive driving of the 370Z on a race track at sustained high engine speeds can cause increases in oil temperature and may activate this engine protection system. To avoid activation of this engine protection system and these reduced peak engine speeds, Nissan recommends an oil cooler be fitted to the 370Z before driving it on a race track. A Nissan Motorsports accessory oil cooler kit is available for customer purchase through authorized Nissan dealerships for race track use. The part number is 21300-SS370.

An oil cooler is not necessary for normal operation of the vehicle on public roads. The addition of an oil cooler would have raised the price of the car and potentially moved it out of the reach of some customers. Value has been a core principle of the Z car since the original 240Z and we choose to uphold this core principle by not adding additional costs that are unnecessary for normal use. For those individuals who choose to drive their vehicle on a race track, the oil cooler is available as an aftersales item.

The oil cooler is a Nissan Motorsports item and as such is sold without warranty, express or implied, unless expressly prohibited by law in which case the warranty provided is the minimum required by law. The installation of the Nissan Motorsports oil cooler does not, by itself, “void” the vehicle warranty. However any damage caused by the installation or use of this part is expressly excluded under the terms of the Nissan New Vehicle Limited warranty.

ChrisSlicks · 11-25-2009, 10:36 AM

Yes I've read that one before. I especially love the last part, which is why I've held off installing a cooler for so long.

Let me translate for you.
You only need an oil cooler if you go to the track. If you go to the track and we find out about it we can, at our discretion, void your factory warranty. We will take the fact that you have installed an oil cooler as evidence that you are driving on the track.

Sure, Porsche engines might blow up more frequently than the Nissan engines, but at least they replace them no questions asked during the warranty period.

Any time I've taken my car in to the dealer for any reason they have gone over the car inspecting for any evidence that the car has been on track. I am now very paranoid of that fact and will not be visiting a dealer again for that reason. If anything does break it will be a major pain having to remove all performance parts before bringing it in.

Robert_Nash · 11-25-2009, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

Yes I've read that one before. I especially love the last part, which is why I've held off installing a cooler for so long.

Let me translate for you.
You only need an oil cooler if you go to the track. If you go to the track and we find out about it we can, at our discretion, void your factory warranty. We will take the fact that you have installed an oil cooler as evidence that you are driving on the track.

Sure, Porsche engines might blow up more frequently than the Nissan engines, but at least they replace them no questions asked during the warranty period.

Any time I've taken my car in to the dealer for any reason they have gone over the car inspecting for any evidence that the car has been on track. I am now very paranoid of that fact and will not be visiting a dealer again for that reason. If anything does break it will be a major pain having to remove all performance parts before bringing it in.

I'm not sure your interpurtation of Nissan's position is accurate but even if so, such a position is not without precedent.

If memory serves, Subaru was handing out free memberships to SCCA and extolling the virtues of the WRX for autocrossing THEN turned around and voided warranties of the vehicles if people actully went out and participated in any SCCA Solo2 events.

Also; I've been doing "competition" things with my vehicles (of many different makes) since the early '73 when I bought my fist TransAm and I've found that what a "dealer" cares about varies a GREAT deal from dealer to dealer.

EDIT: Google is a wonderful thing isn't it!

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Originally Posted by Car And Driver

One thing we should note about the warranty: Subaru says it "excludes damage resulting from participation in competition or racing events." That's a reasonable clause, but the WRX comes with a free, yearlong membership to the Sports Car Club of America (SCCA). Among the numerous events the SCCA hosts is the Solo II autocross in which unmodified street cars run through a low-speed cone course (max speed is less than 60 mph). These courses are usually set up in parking lots, so there's nothing to run into and the cars go through one at a time. Isn't it safe to assume that a few WRX owners will appreciate the SCCA membership and try out a relatively harmless autocross? Probably. If you're one of them, be wary, as we've heard stories of dealers not honoring warranties if the car has been autocrossed. Full Story

ChrisSlicks · 11-25-2009, 11:01 AM

Yes, I've heard the Subaru story before. I think it's deplorable that a manufacturer would do this, especially something like Auto-X which is a perfect setup to learn how to drive your new car safely. As a result I will never buy a Subaru, and now I have to question whether I will buy another Nissan despite my preference towards them having owned several over the last 20 years.

Robert_Nash · 11-25-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

Yes, I've heard the Subaru story before. I think it's deplorable that a manufacturer would do this, especially something like Auto-X which is a perfect setup to learn how to drive your new car safely. As a result I will never buy a Subaru, and now I have to question whether I will buy another Nissan despite my preference towards them having owned several over the last 20 years.

Frankly, I don't think manufacturers voiding warranties from any issues resulting or that may have resulted from competition and/or competition parts is either unusual or unreasonable.

Perhaps I'm a throwback to an earlier time but anytime I've modified my car from "stock" or participated in any sort of competition (be it 1/4 mile, road course, autocross or whatever) I've simply not expected the manufacturer to jump in and do warranty work for me. Mass-produced street-legal passenger cars as NOT built for competition no matter how much people who buy "performance" cars want them to be and no matter what some New York ad agency does in commercials.

11-25-2009, 08:54 AM	#1 (permalink)
370Zsteve A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Gold Coast CT Posts: 10,599 Drives: 2019 Corvette G.S. Rep Power: 43	Seems to me his coupe is still stock and he doesn't have any problems. Wow, man, let it go. You drive a very expensive, overpriced German car now, enjoy the inflated repair bills. Isn't there a Porsche forum you can go to and bash Nissan? Better yet, go to the GT-R forum where they will laugh at your car's lack of performance. [YOUTUBEHQ]RkYgI1vExBA[/YOUTUBEHQ] __________________ SOLD MY Z MARCH 2018 - another Core OG moves on - new ride 2019 Z Corvette Grand Sport - no mods necessary but already have eyes on HFC and intakes LOL IT NEVER ENDS. Last edited by 370Zsteve; 11-25-2009 at 09:00 AM.

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11-25-2009, 10:03 AM	#3 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 654	Easy there Steve, Alan's not bashing. He's just looking for an honest answer that no one at Nissan is willing to give, quite a few of us are, most of us have given up. At this point I have no problem adding an oil cooler to my car, but I too find it disappointing that one was not available as a factory option given that all the press cars did. Sure the press are pretty hard on the cars, a couple of them were even crashed from the brakes giving out (different issue), but all the magazine reviews clearly listed the oil coolers as options - that weren't available. I for one am simply stunned that the Nismo doesn't come with a cooler standard from the factory, I'm sure Nissan has there reasons but they aren't talking. No one from Nissan will give you a straight and honest answer.

11-25-2009, 10:36 AM	#5 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 654	Yes I've read that one before. I especially love the last part, which is why I've held off installing a cooler for so long. Let me translate for you. You only need an oil cooler if you go to the track. If you go to the track and we find out about it we can, at our discretion, void your factory warranty. We will take the fact that you have installed an oil cooler as evidence that you are driving on the track. Sure, Porsche engines might blow up more frequently than the Nissan engines, but at least they replace them no questions asked during the warranty period. Any time I've taken my car in to the dealer for any reason they have gone over the car inspecting for any evidence that the car has been on track. I am now very paranoid of that fact and will not be visiting a dealer again for that reason. If anything does break it will be a major pain having to remove all performance parts before bringing it in.

11-25-2009, 11:01 AM	#7 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 654	Yes, I've heard the Subaru story before. I think it's deplorable that a manufacturer would do this, especially something like Auto-X which is a perfect setup to learn how to drive your new car safely. As a result I will never buy a Subaru, and now I have to question whether I will buy another Nissan despite my preference towards them having owned several over the last 20 years.