Everyone with oil temp issues

Robert_Nash · 11-25-2009, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

Yes, I've heard the Subaru story before. I think it's deplorable that a manufacturer would do this, especially something like Auto-X which is a perfect setup to learn how to drive your new car safely. As a result I will never buy a Subaru, and now I have to question whether I will buy another Nissan despite my preference towards them having owned several over the last 20 years.

Frankly, I don't think manufacturers voiding warranties from any issues resulting or that may have resulted from competition and/or competition parts is either unusual or unreasonable.

Perhaps I'm a throwback to an earlier time but anytime I've modified my car from "stock" or participated in any sort of competition (be it 1/4 mile, road course, autocross or whatever) I've simply not expected the manufacturer to jump in and do warranty work for me. Mass-produced street-legal passenger cars as NOT built for competition no matter how much people who buy "performance" cars want them to be and no matter what some New York ad agency does in commercials.

Modshack · 11-25-2009, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

Frankly, I don't think manufacturers voiding warranties from any issues resulting or that may have resulted from competition and/or competition parts is either unusual or unreasonable.

Very true

ChrisSlicks · 11-25-2009, 11:54 AM

I'm willing to deal with breakages subject to my own abuse myself. The only part I want Nissan to cover for a couple of years is the engine itself, which should be able to stand up to some auto-x and HPDE track time.

semtex · 11-25-2009, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Robert_Nash

Mass-produced street-legal passenger cars as NOT built for competition no matter how much people who buy "performance" cars want them to be and no matter what some New York ad agency does in commercials.

This might be slightly OT, but I've always wondered about something. I don't have a problem with saying that mass-produced street-legal cars aren't for competition or track use or whatever. But why sell mass-produced street-legal cars with top speeds of 150 mph then? I mean, it's kind of a mixed message, isn't it? Here, buy our car that is capable of speeds well in excess of any speed limit in the country. Oh but the car isn't intended to actually be driven at those speeds. You know what people say about driving fast, right? "Take it to the track!" Okay, so you take it to the track, only for manufacturers to say "Hey our cars aren't intended for track/competition use. No warranty for you!!!"

Robert_Nash · 11-25-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

This might be slightly OT, but I've always wondered about something. I don't have a problem with saying that mass-produced street-legal cars aren't for competition or track use or whatever. But why sell mass-produced street-legal cars with top speeds of 150 mph then? I mean, it's kind of a mixed message, isn't it? Here, buy our car that is capable of speeds well in excess of any speed limit in the country. Oh but the car isn't intended to actually be driven at those speeds. You know what people say about driving fast, right? "Take it to the track!" Okay, so you take it to the track, only for manufacturers to say "Hey our cars aren't intended for track/competition use. No warranty for you!!!"

Because they can.

Because people want them.

They excite people and bring people into the showrooms (even people who can't buy them either for $ reasons or practical reasons).

Engineers like designing performance cars.

Auto executives like building performance cars.

How many more reasons do you want???

However, most manufacturers aren't going to risk bankrupting themselves by telling people they can go race their cars on a track somewhere.

Modshack · 11-25-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex

I don't have a problem with saying that mass-produced street-legal cars aren't for competition or track use or whatever. But why sell mass-produced street-legal cars with top speeds of 150 mph then? I mean, it's kind of a mixed message, isn't it? Here, buy our car that is capable of speeds well in excess of any speed limit in the country. Oh but the car isn't intended to actually be driven at those speeds. You know what people say about driving fast, right? "Take it to the track!"

Amusing anecdote from 1983....Back then I worked for the Honda M/C division...We introduced the fastest and most aggressive street bike ever for it's day, the VF1100 Magna. You may or not remember the wild smokey drag strip burnouts (by Peewee Gleason, a professional drag racer) in the intro ad. It was exciting. It dragged people into showrooms by the droves. Unfortunately the sales guys failed to check with the legal guys on this (the Japaneses were a bit Naive at the time). The "implied usage" was determined to be a problem and the ad was pulled... These days it is rare to see a car or bike portrayed in a race environment without a paragraph of disclaimers. One of the greatest Corvette ads ever got canned for much the same reason....Promoting underage and reckless driving. The Lawyers control our world, like it or not..

antennahead · 11-25-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

Amusing anecdote from 1983....Back then I worked for the Honda M/C division...We introduced the fastest and most aggressive street bike ever for it's day, the VF1100 Magna. You may or not remember the wild smokey drag strip burnouts (by Peewee Gleason, a professional drag racer) in the intro ad. It was exciting. It dragged people into showrooms by the droves. Unfortunately the sales guys failed to check with the legal guys on this (the Japaneses were a bit Naive at the time). The "implied usage" was determined to be a problem and the ad was pulled... These days it is rare to see a car or bike portrayed in a race environment without a paragraph of disclaimers. One of the greatest Corvette ads ever got canned for much the same reason....Promoting underage and reckless driving. The Lawyers control our world, like it or not..

Man, that IS a great Corvette commercial...... and the use of the Stones "Jumpin' Jack Flash" just heats it up even more

"How dare they entice children to drive recklessly and pollute the environment like that"

Modshack · 11-25-2009, 02:34 PM

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Man, that IS a great Corvette commercial...... and the use of the Stones "Jumpin' Jack Flash" just heats it up even more

"How dare they entice children to drive recklessly and pollute the environment like that"

Yeah, that's a great one!

Here's the Bike ad that got us into trouble...

Robert_Nash · 11-25-2009, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Modshack

Amusing anecdote from 1983....Back then I worked for the Honda M/C division...We introduced the fastest and most aggressive street bike ever for it's day, the VF1100 Magna. You may or not remember the wild smokey drag strip burnouts (by Peewee Gleason, a professional drag racer) in the intro ad. It was exciting. It dragged people into showrooms by the droves. Unfortunately the sales guys failed to check with the legal guys on this (the Japaneses were a bit Naive at the time). The "implied usage" was determined to be a problem and the ad was pulled... These days it is rare to see a car or bike portrayed in a race environment without a paragraph of disclaimers. One of the greatest Corvette ads ever got canned for much the same reason....Promoting underage and reckless driving. The Lawyers control our world, like it or

Man...what a shame that commercial got pulled.

When I was a kid I use to sit for hours in my Mom/Dad's cars (and we had some great ones) as well as my Uncle's '67 GTO and dream of the day I could drive something like it.

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ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 654	I'm willing to deal with breakages subject to my own abuse myself. The only part I want Nissan to cover for a couple of years is the engine itself, which should be able to stand up to some auto-x and HPDE track time.