Can you get to 400 without turbo or super-charger

MightyBobo

Seriously? You dont think the vast majority of cars on the road are stock and/or completely riced out w/ no mods? Not to mention all the grocery getters, vans, daily drivers and whatnot out there.

Being the fastest from stoplight to stoplight means **** anymore, really, except the high possibility of losing your license and hurting someone. Straight line racing is boring, too. Street racing is and has lost so much allure now that states are cracking down on it. Go do some legal Auto-X or road racing.

I dont disagree, 400ish HP on the 370 would probably be pretty optimal for a VERY fast track car. Anywhere north of that though, I think you're now just going into the realm of wanting to be a stupid powerful street car with no purpose other than to brag. Who cares about the ridiculously powerful local cars are, do they even track them? Or do they just street race? How often do you go to these car shows and see these blown classic muscle cars that never see anything other than a garage when they aren't at the show?

Its just not worth it for me, career and insurance wise, to get caught racing on the street. I'll stick to legal methods now, thanks.

BoBoTee

Who said anything about street light to street light racing?

G&M Performance

Have you ever thought that maybe those people enjoy building motors just for fun? Not everybody that has a powerful car is a meat head that pounds the public pavement for the hell of it. Remember, there are idiots everywhere you go in ALL horsepower classes and ALL kinds of vehicles. Quit your whining and go back to your Enfamil formula.

MightyBobo

Oh geeze, someone's upset over a lot of nothing. For the record Im 25. And secondly, of course there's idiots everywhere - where did I say specifically that 370Z owners were the plague?

You're reading into what I was saying far too much - the short point is that, from my side of the fence, I plan on modding with the purpose to race the car at a track. If you want to mod it to have some ridiculous amount of horsepower, have at it I guess. But I see that on par with getting chrome 24's on a Hummer - a vehicle that'll never do what its designed to do.

Sounds like you did a little street racing with your SRT-4 and I hit a nerve, to be perfectly honest. I never said I was innocent, myself. But after a couple eye-opening incidents, never again.

G&M Performance

Bobo, come on. I am not focusing on 370z's, or anything like that. I just simply said that people of all walks of life in all kinds of vehicles do stupid things. I don't street race, btw. The main reason why I want to step out of my SRT-4 is because I don't want to be looked at in that manner. Unfortunately, people that drive SRT-4's, etc have a bad reputation because well.... most of the drivers are young and dumb.

I agree about your comment about the message boards. I am poor at determining if someone is being offensive at times, so I apologize about that. I am just sick of seeing people whine about things all the time and that counts for both sides of the enthusiast fence in this discussion. Then again, what is life without a little debate every now and then?????? [

RCZ

I did acknowledge that there are some well designed out of the box kits out there, go back and read. The thread asks about getting 400 without a turbo, hence your post is completely irrelevant to the thread. Your opinion might not be wrong, its just in the wrong place.

Some of us folks are just sharing experiences and adding some personal insight and experience. I did not blast anyone. Whats the point of buying a turbo kit and running low boost? To make 60hp? Whoopee!! You said "if" done right. The problem is that it is extremely hard to get 100% right the first time around. I have been around many many builds and maybe one in ten start and idle the first time the motor turns over. And these are builds done by people who compete in timeattack events all over the country and build 500whp cars all day long. The average joe is at a big disadvantage. Unless, like I already said, they go and drop off the car and a wad of cash at the local shop and come back to get it 2 weeks later.

Also honestly, unless you are going to track the car with race tires on...big power becomes completely useless on the street.

Chill out. Getting worked up over something like this is immature and completely pointless. Learn to respect others opinion without getting upset and start an unnecessary argument. There is always more than one way to deal with the situation, the first one you think up is the emotional one, often not the best choice... If you dont want it to turn into my350 then don't turn it into my350.

I really cant wait to start seeing what people are getting out of this engine NA... Its going to be so fun finding the right setup.

G&M Performance

Look, I don't need advice. I appreciate your concern, but maybe this online discussion thing isn't for me because people have a tendency of misunderstanding one another. Additionally, I don't appreciate the fact that you're calling me "immature." You don't know how I operate on a daily basis, so don't fly off of the handle and label people when you see a post that is a bit on the passionate side.

Anyway, the soldier that fabricated this thread just wanted to know if NA was a feasible option and I provided him with my opinion. You thereafter posted yours, which seemed to target my opinion, and I countered it because I wanted to let you know that boosting is cheaper than going N/A. Simple enough, huh? I'm sorry if I offended you or pissed you off.

Don't forget that I also stated that a well tuned boosted car can last longer than most people own their cars. By today's standards, that means 3-5 years. There are OEM cars that are boosted that last 10+ years that require periodic maintenance with the turbocharger. Again, it is all in how the vehicle is tuned. Oh and it is also all in how it is cared for.

Finally, a car running 6psi on a large displacement motor can make plenty of power. Sometimes more than 60hp. Also, the money that it would take to get to the soldier's target hp naturally aspirated would cost more than it would to turbocharge it. You know, it's all in what he wants to do in the end, right? As long as he surrounds himself with the right people and dedicates himself to learning how to boost, build N/A, or whatever, he can minimize the chances of his car going kaput.

And by the way, are you saying that making big power is 400whp and is not good for a streetable setup? Please elaborate!


P.s. NA for the 370 will definitely be a change from the 350.