[OFFICIAL] Manual v. Automatic Thread

[Tadpole]

Originally Posted by 11Thumper

I did, based on my needs at the time. Can't you read?

Ok, back to if that's all that matters here.

Yup sure can!

[JWillis72]

Has anyone had a 7AT give out on them? When I supercharged the car I expected it to give but after beating on it for over a year it's still rock solid. It always gains on cars when they shift and will spin the wheels into 3rd, it might not be a double clutch but it's better than most give it credit for.


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[NismoNY]

I'll add my .02 here in regards to people saying manual isn't great in traffic. Sure, AT is probably "easier" in traffic, but I've commuted in traffic the past several years in manual transmission cars and I never once wished I had an AT. Truth is if you know how to drive stick properly by leaving enough room between you and the car in front, driving stick in traffic is a breeze and hardly requires a gear change. To that point, driving manual helps foster and promote better driving habits.

[Tadpole]

Originally Posted by NismoNY

I'll add my .02 here in regards to people saying manual isn't great in traffic. Sure, AT is probably "easier" in traffic, but I've commuted in traffic the past several years in manual transmission cars and I never once wished I had an AT. Truth is if you know how to drive stick properly by leaving enough room between you and the car in front, driving stick in traffic is a breeze and hardly requires a gear change. To that point, driving manual helps foster and promote better driving habits.

Probably??? Without a doubt an auto is better in traffic.

No argument to be had here on that and thank you for proving an auto is better once again.

[NismoNY]

Originally Posted by Tadpole

Probably??? Without a doubt an auto is better in traffic.

No argument to be had here on that and thank you for proving an auto is better once again.

I see you believe "better" and "easier" can be used interchangeably

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by Tadpole

So you had to modify it to compete with the A/T???

Yes, I corrected the known weakness in the 6MT system - the clutch pedal and hydraulic system. It cost me a weekend of labor and around $700 total.

Now if you want to upgrade your 7AT to handle more than 285 ft-lb torque, you get to spend $3500+ including core exchange. My 6MT handles much more than that no problem with the new CSC. So I'm not sure what your argument is ...

Originally Posted by Tadpole

Probably??? Without a doubt an auto is better in traffic.

I get better gas mileage and a smoother ride in my MT in traffic than the AT. I also cause less wear and tear on the transmission because I don't shift near as often

[FPenvy]

Originally Posted by JARblue

Yes, I corrected the known weakness in the 6MT system - the clutch pedal and hydraulic system. It cost me a weekend of labor and around $700 total.

[JARblue]

Originally Posted by FPenvy

Says the guy whose 7AT transmission will blow up with any kind of torque put to it

[Tadpole]

Originally Posted by JARblue

Yes, I corrected the known weakness in the 6MT system - the clutch pedal and hydraulic system. It cost me a weekend of labor and around $700 total.

Now if you want to upgrade your 7AT to handle more than 285 ft-lb torque, you get to spend $3500+ including core exchange. My 6MT handles much more than that no problem with the new CSC. So I'm not sure what your argument is ...



I get better gas mileage and a smoother ride in my MT in traffic than the AT. I also cause less wear and tear on the transmission because I don't shift near as often

So....you wanna race? I won't even put mine in manual mode.

[Shotta]

I wish I could find a direct link to "Jaguars MANual Manual". It's perfect for a thread like this.

[airikrankin]

Originally Posted by Tadpole

So....you wanna race? I won't even put mine in manual mode.

auto can shift faster than manual but you are pointing the car and hitting the gas, not really racing. someone with no driving experience would get the same 1/4 mile time. if everyone raced autos it would be car vs car, not driver vs driver

[11Thumper]

Originally Posted by NismoNY

I'll add my .02 here in regards to people saying manual isn't great in traffic. Sure, AT is probably "easier" in traffic, but I've commuted in traffic the past several years in manual transmission cars and I never once wished I had an AT. Truth is if you know how to drive stick properly by leaving enough room between you and the car in front, driving stick in traffic is a breeze and hardly requires a gear change. To that point, driving manual helps foster and promote better driving habits.

Some truth to this but IMO stretching it a bit to fit your application. I commute 40 miles each way to work in the Bay Area and did it for years with a MT. Sure, I employed a similar technique as you mentioned (although not sure how it relates to knowing how to drive stick properly as you suggested) but I can tell you hands down the AT is much easier and less stressful in the commute.

My situation changed last year and I purchased a dedicated commute car so the Z sits in my garage mostly now. Had I seen this happening with a crystal ball I would have purchased the 6MT for the Z. However, I don't get disappointed when I take the Z up to the mountains and have fun with it since the 7AT is a very nice unit. It's smooth, quick shifting and behaves the same all the time.

I don't think anyone could really win the argument that a MT is actually better in traffic.

[NismoNY]

Originally Posted by 11Thumper

Some truth to this but IMO stretching it a bit to fit your application. I commute 40 miles each way to work in the Bay Area and did it for years with a MT. Sure, I employed a similar technique as you mentioned (although not sure how it relates to knowing how to drive stick properly as you suggested) but I can tell you hands down the AT is much easier and less stressful in the commute.

My situation changed last year and I purchased a dedicated commute car so the Z sits in my garage mostly now. Had I seen this happening with a crystal ball I would have purchased the 6MT for the Z. However, I don't get disappointed when I take the Z up to the mountains and have fun with it since the 7AT is a very nice unit. It's smooth, quick shifting and behaves the same all the time.

I don't think anyone could really win the argument that a MT is actually better in traffic.

I did say AT was easier in traffic in my post - no argument there.

[ayrton88]

I drive a manual in Chicago traffic all the time. While I won't say it's easier than an AT, I find it less boring. Kind of like the rest of the the time. Sorry, but for me an AT is just plain boring. I prefer the manual in traffic because it gives me something to do. I have a winter car that is an auto and when stuck in traffic I get a lot more antsy driving it.

[11Thumper]

Originally Posted by ayrton88

I drive a manual in Chicago traffic all the time. While I won't say it's easier than an AT, I find it less boring. Kind of like the rest of the the time. Sorry, but for me an AT is just plain boring. I prefer the manual in traffic because it gives me something to do. I have a winter car that is an auto and when stuck in traffic I get a lot more antsy driving it.

If you find any excitement driving in traffic (MT or not) I'm not sure how to help you...