Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3147310)

Don't you still only get true black from a plasma. And there's an xboxone at home hooked up to a LCD and the PS4 is hooked up to a plasma. The plasma if far superior to the LCD when playing a game.

Oh wait...that's probably just because the PS4 is better. Never mind :stirthepot:

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3147312)

No. Prove that $1k will give you 500wtq

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3147321)

sir you can attack my transmission but I will not allow you to attack xbox.



that's like saying Jesus was a fag to bible thumpers.



:bowrofl:







tranny cooler - $300-400

flex plate will probably be $300-500

tune is part of TT so idk if that cost counts for the 5 min it takes to up the line pressure.



that should be ok for 500. I think....... lol

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3147280)

TECHNICALLY.......Tony's new flex plate and AT upgrades could be the solution.

also many people have easily gone with a trans cooler, line pressure tune, and maybe a VB upgrade.

to hold 500TQ you'll spend about $1k with the MT.....oh and add $500 for CSC fix. the AT is about the same money to hold 500

anything over that why not build it to be bulletproof like a $4k tranny from level10 or however much tony's new upgrades are.

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3147310)

Don't you still only get true black from a plasma.

Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3147330)

Where are you getting your numbers? Are you including labor?

Let's get specific here. MT upgrade costs a new clutch. Let's say $1500 including labor for a nicer clutch that can handle 500 hp and 400 ft-lbs torque. Add another $300 to upgrade the CSC (no extra labor since the clutch is being done). We're at $1800.

From what I've seen the trans cooler will cost ~$400 plus labor. The tune will cost at least $500 if not a bit more depending on which software and package. The VB upgrade is like $900 plus labor (can you get it from someone other than GTM?). So you're at $1800 + labor for cooler and vb install. That's like 33% more cost than the MT not including the initial AT hike at the dealer. And with all this, can you even guarantee that the AT will hold more than 400 ft-lb torque? I don't think so...

And who says you have to upgrade the MT internals to get the same HP as a Level10 tranny upgrade? Has anyone broken an MT with too much torque? I don't think so. I wonder if any of the 800+ hp builds have upgrade MT internals. I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3147333)

Nope. That's why OLED is far superior. Even at its infancy now.

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3147337)

Haven't bought a TV in over five years so that's good to know. My plasma still looks just as good as any I see at other people's house or the stores.

The only draw back I have on plasma is the pixels age. In another couple of years I'll probably be out of brightness setting

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3147339)

I still have a plasma just for the xbox. it's awesome but weighs a million pounds. I agree with the pixel age only because I do see a couple dead pixels along the bottom left corner of mine. nothing no one else will notice but I do lol

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3147336)

I was hoping you didn't remember GTM was really the only VB upgrade right now lol

yea yea ok for slightly less you can hold 500tq in the MT vs AT.

but it's still subpar. :stirthepot:

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3147337)

Haven't bought a TV in over five years so that's good to know. My plasma still looks just as good as any I see at other people's house or the stores.

The only draw back I have on plasma is the pixels age. In another couple of years I'll probably be out of brightness setting

Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3147346)

:roflpuke2: nice try

Damn straight! :driving: :icon17:

Now there's some AT driver logic! MT is better and less expensive, but it is still subpar :rolleyes:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3147351)

it's not better. yes it is cheaper for now. we still need to see what tony's parts are going to cost.

could be interesting :stirthepot:

Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3147378)

lol again with the AT driver logic. How is more power for less money not better? :stirthepot:

Also, I should mention I am currently developing an upgrade for the MT internals that allow it to hold 2000 hp and 2000 ft-lb torque. And it only costs $100. Beat that, bitch! :roflpuke2:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3147386)

whatever you're on you better share that's all i'm saying.

puff puff pass :yum:

but the money difference could be marginal at best once we see the parts and costs from FI.

and let's say the cost is close/equal and held the same power the AT would still be better. I mean it's better stock and it's better upgraded. FI just set the 370Z WR in the 1/4 mile with a 7AT.

Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3147457)

:icon17: I always share :tiphat:

I'm still wondering what kind of power limits the AT will hit before needing a serious Level10 upgrade vs the power limits the MT will hit before needing internal upgrades. My argument is that the MT limit is much higher (which is why it is better). So either one can get to 500 hp without too much difficulty, but beyond that, you're shelling out serious cash to upgrade the AT vs just choosing a different clutch kit that can handle more power for the MT.

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3147482)

I have seen AT's on here pushing 550whp and 450tq no issues.



I now want to find a crashed 370, take the tranny, and stress test it lol

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3147548)

Name one

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3147559)

somewhere in that finished builds thread......:ugh2:

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3147568)

That's what I figured. Talkin' out your a$$ again

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3147604)

You still haven't provided an example. I'm not going to read thru all that to prove your point. That burden is on you. There are plenty of MTs holding serious power.

Originally Posted by ayrton88 (Post 3147694)

I could give a crap about HP and lap times. I love a manual because it is just more fun to drive. Simple as that. I like having both hands and feet involved with controlling the car. As I mentioned in previous posts, I made the mistake of buying a BMW with the SMG paddle shifters...sold it within a year. Just plain boring.

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3147576)

most people are just too scared to blow a tranny......giggity.

Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3147770)

Give me the money and I'll blow it ;)

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3147604)

You still haven't provided an example. I'm not going to read thru all that to prove your point. That burden is on you. There are plenty of MTs holding serious power.

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3147822)

did you miss this:

2012 G37 IPL 7AT GTM Stage 1 TT at 13PSI - 556HP & 418TQ More Info

I mean not a Z but same tranny. and with ANY boost build regardless of which transmission you have yes supporting mods are part of it.

again your argument falls back to money and how much you need 3 pedals. that's about it.

it's been the only comeback the MT side has had and you all don't have much.

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3147822)

did you miss this:

2012 G37 IPL 7AT GTM Stage 1 TT at 13PSI - 556HP & 418TQ More Info

I mean not a Z but same tranny. and with ANY boost build regardless of which transmission you have yes supporting mods are part of it.

again your argument falls back to money and how much you need 3 pedals. that's about it.

it's been the only comeback the MT side has had and you all don't have much.

Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3147828)

:roflpuke2: You are sure grasping at straws here. Ooops sorry, I left out the G :rolleyes: And wow... 20 more ft-lbs than the next closest. That doesn't change $hit. The AT sucks a$$ for power. It doesn't do anything else well enough to make up for that. The MT guys are all running 350ft-lbs or more. And many of them are running 500-550 ft-lbs.

What do you mean money? Or pedals? Those have nothing to do with the fact that the MT is stronger and more powerful. And the AT sucks :tiphat:

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3147831)

Did you miss the part where he's running a Stage 4 built GTM Tranny? No telling what that ran him.

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 3147831)

Did you miss the part where he's running a Stage 4 built GTM Tranny? No telling what that ran him.

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3147836)

god dammit J stay out lol


where the hell is all my teammates today? :shakes head:

damn gang bangin homos :bowrofl:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3147833)

AT sucks but yet has the best 1/4 mile time :stirthepot:

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3147833)

I highly doubt a stock MT will hold 500ft/lbs+ for very long until it was gone.

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3147836)

god dammit J stay out lol





where the hell is all my teammates today? :shakes head:



damn gang bangin homos :bowrofl:

Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3147844)

Only because the MT guys are on the track while the AT guys are grab assing at the drag strip :shakes head:

Originally Posted by JWillis72 (Post 3147898)

My 7AT has only seen road courses, it's never been to a drag strip.

Originally Posted by JARblue (Post 3147902)

You've never driven it on the freeway? :rolleyes: :wtf2: :icon17:

Stop bringing legitimate data into the equation :p

Originally Posted by FPenvy (Post 3147833)

AT sucks but yet has the best 1/4 mile time :stirthepot:

I highly doubt a stock MT will hold 500ft/lbs+ for very long until it was gone.

so you have to spend money. spend same money give or take and the AT is the same strength. not a hard concept to grasp lol