UOA @12k miles, synthetc vs. regular oil

tranceformer · 03-20-2010, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by clayton

I have less than 500 miles on my Z, when should I make the first Oil Change, and what oil do you prefer...... I have always used Mobil 1 Syn... also does the syn effect the oil temp. issues ?

This is my second Z car that I have bought new. Both times I had the oil changed at ~1200 miles. I went with just the regular oil at the dealership for the first few oil changes. That's all just a personal preference.

The synthetic oil seems to make a difference when running the engine hard. Example: a quick run on the highway through 3rd & 4th gear the oil temp would spike up 10 to 20 degrees (from what I remember) with the regular oil. This wouldn't happen so much with the synthetic oil, definitely more stable oil temps. From what I noticed it takes more prolonged runs to get the oil temp to rise significantly.

j.arnaldo · 03-20-2010, 11:26 AM

Anyone here knows if there's a MOBIL 1 formula with the ester thingy? I'm kinda faithful to that brand, but all the ester hype is getting to me--I guess. BESIDES, I can get MOBIL 1 oil at about $4.99/qt.; b-i-g difference from those outrageous prices for Redline, Nissan's ester one, etc.

IDZRVIT · 03-20-2010, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j.arnaldo

Anyone here knows if there's a MOBIL 1 formula with the ester thingy? I'm kinda faithful to that brand, but all the ester hype is getting to me--I guess. BESIDES, I can get MOBIL 1 oil at about $4.99/qt.; b-i-g difference from those outrageous prices for Redline, Nissan's ester one, etc.

RL and some others have esters but do they have the mysterious nano-particles? That is the question

Personally, if the oil is API SM certified, you're good to go but synthetic does have advantages over dino.

j.arnaldo · 03-21-2010, 01:03 PM

No, no, I always use synth', IDZRVIT, but I was wondering if MOBIL 1 has a formula which contains the ester deal.

LateralG'z · 03-21-2010, 01:17 PM

thanks for posting the info, great stuff here to make good oil decisions +1

IDZRVIT · 03-21-2010, 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j.arnaldo

No, no, I always use synth', IDZRVIT, but I was wondering if MOBIL 1 has a formula which contains the ester deal.

Here's what Mobil says about its oil containing esters - usually. Well Mobil, does it or doesn't it?

Ester Oil and Nissan Engines

IDZRVIT · 03-21-2010, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IDZRVIT

Here's what Mobil says about its oil containing esters - usually. Well Mobil, does it or doesn't it?

Ester Oil and Nissan Engines

Oh, and it has been used in their synthetics.

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/...Ester_Oil.aspx

ZForce · 03-21-2010, 02:39 PM

Good UOA's. Any reason for changing out the oil before the recomended oil change interval (OCI) at 3750 mi (yours was at 3K mi)? Lower OCI will normally give better numbers, but I do not think 750 mi would have made a big difference. The silicon has improved but still on the high side (dirt in the air filter) you may want to keep on an eye on the air filter and clean it on a more frequent basis or replace it with a better paper filter.

I have to say this is a very good UOA with only the viscosity breaking down early. Keep paying the extra $10 for the TBN test, its worth every penny.

I wish my UOA's were this good.

tranceformer · 03-21-2010, 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZForce

Good UOA's. Any reason for changing out the oil before the recomended oil change interval (OCI) at 3750 mi (yours was at 3K mi)? Lower OCI will normally give better numbers, but I do not think 750 mi would have made a big difference. The silicon has improved but still on the high side (dirt in the air filter) you may want to keep on an eye on the air filter and clean it on a more frequent basis or replace it with a better paper filter.

I have to say this is a very good UOA with only the viscosity breaking down early. Keep paying the extra $10 for the TBN test, its worth every penny.

I wish my UOA's were this good.

Why change at 3k miles instead of 3750? Force of habit I guess. And I typically don't do much driving during winter time, so it ends up taking me a while to reach 3k miles. I'm no oil specialist but my guess is that the frequent short trips over the past 6 months might have had some effect on the slight viscosity breakdown.

Update: I'm already up to 1500mi since the last oil change. A few more weeks and I'll have another report on the Castrol Syntec 5w-30.

My Z is up to 12k miles and 1 year of ownership and I'm still running the original factory air filters. It probably wouldn't hurt to change them out now. Thanks for the tip.

ZForce · 03-25-2010, 08:58 PM

Sry for the long delay in response. I have been offline all week, busy at work.

Try trips of 7 miles round trip per day to and from work, now that has a tendency to consume oil because the condensation that builds up in oil with short trips and not enough driving to heat up the oil to burn off the condensation. I am no expert either on oil, but I think the break down of the oils viscosity is due to the shearing of the oil from our high tolerance engines.

*****************************************

Here is a snippet from Resolute thread on my350z:

"What do the viscosity numbers mean, and how do I read them?
The viscosity numbers are from a specific test to determine the viscosity of an oil at a given temperature, as measured in cSt (centistokes). A higher number means a thicker oil at operating temperature, and a lower number means a thinner oil at operating temperature. A higher or lower number is neither good or bad in and of itself, it is merely a measure of the oil’s viscosity. Some oils thinned out, or sheared, from use and became thinner than their original grade. For example, a used 30wt oil might have viscosity numbers which correlate with a 20wt oil, indicating it is prone to shearing in the VQ."

VQ Oil Analysis and Info - MY350Z.COM Forums

*******************************************

I used to run PP in my Z33 and it resulted well with short OCI's and DD driving with no track or auto X. I ran it for one OCI with the Z34 and it held up ok but not a good test as the engine was still sealing and seating and a lot assembly lubes still needed to be cleaned out. But what worked well in the VQDE engines will not necessarily net the same results in our engines. Your best friend is a used oil analysis.

I would like to see an oil guru step up to the plate and open a thread similar to Resolute's thread on my350z on oil and UOA’s and the collection of data to inform which oil for the type of driving is best for our engine.

May want to look into Amsoil's Nano Paper Air filter as a stock air filter replacement.

Now that spring is here I bet we will see a lot more miles start to rack up on the odometer and hopefully more UOA's posted. Look forward to your next UOA.

tranceformer · 03-26-2010, 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ZForce

Sry for the long delay in response. I have been offline all week, busy at work.

Try trips of 7 miles round trip per day to and from work, now that has a tendency to consume oil because the condensation that builds up in oil with short trips and not enough driving to heat up the oil to burn off the condensation. I am no expert either on oil, but I think the break down of the oils viscosity is due to the shearing of the oil from our high tolerance engines.

I used to run PP in my Z33 and it resulted well with short OCI's and DD driving with no track or auto X. I ran it for one OCI with the Z34 and it held up ok but not a good test as the engine was still sealing and seating and a lot assembly lubes still needed to be cleaned out. But what worked well in the VQDE engines will not necessarily net the same results in our engines. Your best friend is a used oil analysis.

I would like to see an oil guru step up to the plate and open a thread similar to Resolute's thread on my350z on oil and UOA’s and the collection of data to inform which oil for the type of driving is best for our engine.

May want to look into Amsoil's Nano Paper Air filter as a stock air filter replacement.

Now that spring is here I bet we will see a lot more miles start to rack up on the odometer and hopefully more UOA's posted. Look forward to your next UOA.

Before I moved here, I used to drive a 8 mile round trip. Sometimes during the the winter [in NJ] the oil temp would barely start moving until I almost at my office. Now I'm up to a 45 mile round trip, plenty of time to get the engine warmed up.

I looked into the Amsoil air filters, it seems they don't have one for our cars yet. I think I will go with Purolater oil & air filters next time around.

clayton · 03-27-2010, 06:26 PM

are the factory oil filters the best to use ? I was thinking about going with K/N filter and Castrol Edge. Anyone have any suggestions ?

ZForce · 03-28-2010, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tranceformer

Before I moved here, I used to drive a 8 mile round trip. Sometimes during the the winter [in NJ] the oil temp would barely start moving until I almost at my office. Now I'm up to a 45 mile round trip, plenty of time to get the engine warmed up.

I looked into the Amsoil air filters, it seems they don't have one for our cars yet. I think I will go with Purolater oil & air filters next time around.

Purolator oil filter (the shorty) is what I am currently runing. Will switch to the extended one on next change. Have not heard anything on their air filter. Gotta be better than the stock one though. My stock filters were dirty and needed replacing after 10k miles. I am running Amsoil Ea air filters now, then again its with Injen's CAI.

ZForce · 03-28-2010, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clayton

are the factory oil filters the best to use ? I was thinking about going with K/N filter and Castrol Edge. Anyone have any suggestions ?

My #1 choice would be Purolator Pure One and this came from my tribologist (dysonanalysis).

# 2 K&N

Stay away for the time being, Amsoil's oil filter. They are not a recomended on Amsoil website as an oil filter for our Z34.

Dunno know much about Castrol Edge.

IDZRVIT · 03-28-2010, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ZForce

Stay away for the time being, Amsoil's oil filter. They are not a recomended on Amsoil website as an oil filter for our Z34.

Your statement is confusing. Amsoil sells a Wix filter for the Z34. Are you saying Amsoil doesn't recommend this filter but is selling it anyway?

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03-20-2010, 11:26 AM	#17 (permalink)
j.arnaldo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 937 Drives: Nissan 350Z, 2004 Rep Power: 0	Anyone here knows if there's a MOBIL 1 formula with the ester thingy? I'm kinda faithful to that brand, but all the ester hype is getting to me--I guess. BESIDES, I can get MOBIL 1 oil at about $4.99/qt.; b-i-g difference from those outrageous prices for Redline, Nissan's ester one, etc.

03-21-2010, 01:03 PM	#19 (permalink)
j.arnaldo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 937 Drives: Nissan 350Z, 2004 Rep Power: 0	No, no, I always use synth', IDZRVIT, but I was wondering if MOBIL 1 has a formula which contains the ester deal.

03-21-2010, 02:39 PM	#23 (permalink)
ZForce A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Roseville, CA Posts: 2,359 Drives: 09 370Z Tour + Sport Rep Power: 20	Good UOA's. Any reason for changing out the oil before the recomended oil change interval (OCI) at 3750 mi (yours was at 3K mi)? Lower OCI will normally give better numbers, but I do not think 750 mi would have made a big difference. The silicon has improved but still on the high side (dirt in the air filter) you may want to keep on an eye on the air filter and clean it on a more frequent basis or replace it with a better paper filter. I have to say this is a very good UOA with only the viscosity breaking down early. Keep paying the extra $10 for the TBN test, its worth every penny. I wish my UOA's were this good.

03-25-2010, 08:58 PM	#25 (permalink)
ZForce A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Roseville, CA Posts: 2,359 Drives: 09 370Z Tour + Sport Rep Power: 20	Sry for the long delay in response. I have been offline all week, busy at work. Try trips of 7 miles round trip per day to and from work, now that has a tendency to consume oil because the condensation that builds up in oil with short trips and not enough driving to heat up the oil to burn off the condensation. I am no expert either on oil, but I think the break down of the oils viscosity is due to the shearing of the oil from our high tolerance engines. *************************************** Here is a snippet from Resolute thread on my350z: "What do the viscosity numbers mean, and how do I read them? The viscosity numbers are from a specific test to determine the viscosity of an oil at a given temperature, as measured in cSt (centistokes). A higher number means a thicker oil at operating temperature, and a lower number means a thinner oil at operating temperature. A higher or lower number is neither good or bad in and of itself, it is merely a measure of the oil’s viscosity. Some oils thinned out, or sheared, from use and became thinner than their original grade. For example, a used 30wt oil might have viscosity numbers which correlate with a 20wt oil, indicating it is prone to shearing in the VQ." VQ Oil Analysis and Info - MY350Z.COM Forums ***************************************** I used to run PP in my Z33 and it resulted well with short OCI's and DD driving with no track or auto X. I ran it for one OCI with the Z34 and it held up ok but not a good test as the engine was still sealing and seating and a lot assembly lubes still needed to be cleaned out. But what worked well in the VQDE engines will not necessarily net the same results in our engines. Your best friend is a used oil analysis. I would like to see an oil guru step up to the plate and open a thread similar to Resolute's thread on my350z on oil and UOA’s and the collection of data to inform which oil for the type of driving is best for our engine. May want to look into Amsoil's Nano Paper Air filter as a stock air filter replacement. Now that spring is here I bet we will see a lot more miles start to rack up on the odometer and hopefully more UOA's posted. Look forward to your next UOA.

03-27-2010, 06:26 PM	#27 (permalink)
clayton Base Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: lancaster ohio Posts: 12 Drives: 370z MT Rep Power: 15	are the factory oil filters the best to use ? I was thinking about going with K/N filter and Castrol Edge. Anyone have any suggestions ?