MT Shifting Question(s)

Slynky · 02-09-2010, 02:41 PM

So, realizing I'm coming from an '06 RSX S, I'm still wondering if that fact is what's swaying me or if, in fact, the Z's MT is a bit tough to shift.

When I first test drove it, it was cold outside and the car was sitting on the sidewalk in front of the dealer. When I went to pull in down into second, it wouldn't go in. Didn't force it. So, I "played around" in neutral territory a couple of seconds and pulled it down again. Finally, it went in. Thinking to myself, "guess it's colder out her than I thought...tranny must be cold". Sure enough, after warming up a bit, it shifted better but there still seems to be quite a drag on the motion of the shifter. MUCH different than the RSX shifter (which now feels like a cheap thing when I have to drive the wife's RSX).

So, in your comparisons with other cars you have owned, would you say...

(1) Moving the shifter around takes more pressure than the average car?

(2) For guys in the colder climates, how does your tranny and 2nd gear perform the first 5 minutes of driving?

Thanks !

elmz · 02-09-2010, 03:29 PM

1) compared to my 350 the shifter is very soft and less clunky

2) even in San Diego a cold morning start(55-60 degrees) it will take a few minutes to warm up the tranny

Slynky · 02-09-2010, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elmz

1) compared to my 350 the shifter is very soft and less clunky

2) even in San Diego a cold morning start(55-60 degrees) it will take a few minutes to warm up the tranny

Ouch ! The 350 was worse ?!

So, when you say it needs a bit of warming up, I'd say, mine almost doesn't even go in without playing around with it. And that's shifting about about 8-10 MPH.

>135I · 02-09-2010, 05:14 PM

1) My experiences with MT come from F150 3 speed on the floor, 5 speed from a Saturn and a 6 speed from an RX8. To compare the 370z to the other MT, I would have to say that the other two (not F150) felt like I was shifting a plastic tranny and the F150 I can not compare because its stick was like 4 feet long. The 370 mt feels great to me but it is loud.
2) It does take a min to warm up in the cold. I know its been posted some where else but when trying to shift to another gear and it will not easily slide in, let is go into neutral release clutch and then engage clutch again, shifting into gear should be smoother.

m4a1mustang · 02-09-2010, 05:21 PM

The double-clutching definitely helps on cold starts.

A transmission fluid change will help, too. Cold shifts are much smoother with Redline MT-90.

XLR8SN · 02-09-2010, 05:35 PM

Honestly...you cant compare a Hondas shifter to a lot of other brands. To me...the Hondas are one of the best shifters on the market straight from the factory.

Miatas are good too...but as a company, the Hondas in general are really easy to use.

The 370Z is "smoother" than the older first run of 03 350Z's and G35's...but it still could be a little better. Its bearable though to me.

Xan · 02-09-2010, 05:39 PM

Double clutching on upshifts?

Just rev-match while shifting and you should be fine...

If you time it right this will be automatic, as your rev's drop as you release the gas, just re-engage when you're rev's match your next gear.

If they drop too fast you can just use some gas to keep it up, or just shift faster.

But that could be just me....

m4a1mustang · 02-09-2010, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Xan

Double clutching on upshifts?

Just rev-match while shifting and you should be fine...

If you time it right this will be automatic, as your rev's drop as you release the gas, just re-engage when you're rev's match your next gear.

If they drop too fast just you can just use some gas to keep it up, or just shift faster.

But that could be just me....

It really helps the 1-2 shift when it's 8 degrees out!

Slynky · 02-09-2010, 05:45 PM

Well, I'm guessing there's no reason to be alarmed, then. :crossing fingers:

Like anything, I guess I worry too much.

As to skill, for those of you who may have heard me say it before, I'm probably the oldest guy in here and have been shifting gears for a LONG time. I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing...

Thanks for all the replies and info/feedback. +1 for all-ya

FuPaXxTyTy · 02-10-2010, 04:20 AM

best tranny on my 2010 compared to my friends evo x...

vReath · 02-10-2010, 04:34 AM

i used to work at a Honda dealership as a porter and, of course, was able to drive plenty of cars that came in. like someone stated above, Honda's MT is really easy and smooth. SIs, S2K's, RSX's, and even the regular 5 speed models were smooth compared to the 370. so yeah, it takes a little more effort but you get used to it and eventually find your own way of doing so.

I let a friend drive my car around the block - he's had his SI for a few years - and he had to get used to clutch/shifting right off the bat.

Slynky · 02-10-2010, 06:01 AM

Thanks for the additional info, guys !

Knives · 02-10-2010, 08:31 AM

I agree with Xan on utilizing the rev match, especially when it's real cold outside.

I also find that shifting into second gear is a little smoother when you disengage the clutch slowly.

z370z · 02-10-2010, 08:48 AM

I'm from Ontario Canada and before I put my Z into storage this winter I drove it into work one morning at -8 degree Celsius. It was the biggest pain to try and shift, however it only lasted about 5 minutes down the road. After that she shifted perfectly as always!

IMO from my own experience, this is not a car to be driven in sub zero temps, mind you all trannys have a tough time in the negative temps

Slynky · 02-10-2010, 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by z370z

I'm from Ontario Canada and before I put my Z into storage this winter I drove it into work one morning at -8 degree Celsius. It was the biggest pain to try and shift, however it only lasted about 5 minutes down the road. After that she shifted perfectly as always!

IMO from my own experience, this is not a car to be driven in sub zero temps, mind you all trannys have a tough time in the negative temps

True. One of the reasons I sold my RSX (besides moving up to something with really nice styling) was because it was sluggish for 10-12 minutes on a cold morning. And at least the first 5 minutes during the rest of the year. And 2nd, till warmed up, seemed to notch or grab going in as if the syncros weren't quite warmed up enough to do their job yet.

So, call me gun-shy on the Z and worrying about it. I'm still in break-in period but when I can let it go, I want to be able to speed shift it and not have it balk/hesitate/stop in front of 2nd gear...

02-09-2010, 02:41 PM	#1 (permalink)
Slynky Track Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: McDonough, GA Posts: 595 Drives: 2010 Red 370Z T/S/N Rep Power: 16	MT Shifting Question(s) So, realizing I'm coming from an '06 RSX S, I'm still wondering if that fact is what's swaying me or if, in fact, the Z's MT is a bit tough to shift. When I first test drove it, it was cold outside and the car was sitting on the sidewalk in front of the dealer. When I went to pull in down into second, it wouldn't go in. Didn't force it. So, I "played around" in neutral territory a couple of seconds and pulled it down again. Finally, it went in. Thinking to myself, "guess it's colder out her than I thought...tranny must be cold". Sure enough, after warming up a bit, it shifted better but there still seems to be quite a drag on the motion of the shifter. MUCH different than the RSX shifter (which now feels like a cheap thing when I have to drive the wife's RSX). So, in your comparisons with other cars you have owned, would you say... (1) Moving the shifter around takes more pressure than the average car? (2) For guys in the colder climates, how does your tranny and 2nd gear perform the first 5 minutes of driving? Thanks ! __________________ A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America," for an amount of "up to and including my life."

02-09-2010, 05:14 PM	#4 (permalink)
>135I Enthusiast Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Radcliff, KY Age: 41 Posts: 409 Drives: 2003 Cobra Rep Power: 16	1) My experiences with MT come from F150 3 speed on the floor, 5 speed from a Saturn and a 6 speed from an RX8. To compare the 370z to the other MT, I would have to say that the other two (not F150) felt like I was shifting a plastic tranny and the F150 I can not compare because its stick was like 4 feet long. The 370 mt feels great to me but it is loud. 2) It does take a min to warm up in the cold. I know its been posted some where else but when trying to shift to another gear and it will not easily slide in, let is go into neutral release clutch and then engage clutch again, shifting into gear should be smoother. __________________ I will miss my Z. I hope she goes to a good home.

02-09-2010, 05:21 PM	#5 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6962	The double-clutching definitely helps on cold starts. A transmission fluid change will help, too. Cold shifts are much smoother with Redline MT-90. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

02-09-2010, 05:39 PM	#7 (permalink)
Xan A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: MA Posts:99999999999999 Posts: 3,301 Drives: 370Z 40th Aniversary Rep Power: 24	Double clutching on upshifts? Just rev-match while shifting and you should be fine... If you time it right this will be automatic, as your rev's drop as you release the gas, just re-engage when you're rev's match your next gear. If they drop too fast you can just use some gas to keep it up, or just shift faster. But that could be just me.... __________________ Last edited by Xan; 02-09-2010 at 05:44 PM. Reason: too many times "just"

02-09-2010, 05:45 PM	#9 (permalink)
Slynky Track Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: McDonough, GA Posts: 595 Drives: 2010 Red 370Z T/S/N Rep Power: 16	Well, I'm guessing there's no reason to be alarmed, then. :crossing fingers: Like anything, I guess I worry too much. As to skill, for those of you who may have heard me say it before, I'm probably the oldest guy in here and have been shifting gears for a LONG time. I'm pretty sure I know what I'm doing... Thanks for all the replies and info/feedback. +1 for all-ya __________________ A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America," for an amount of "up to and including my life."

02-09-2010, 03:29 PM	#2 (permalink)
elmz Track Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 674 Drives: 2014 Porsche Boxster Rep Power: 17	1) compared to my 350 the shifter is very soft and less clunky 2) even in San Diego a cold morning start(55-60 degrees) it will take a few minutes to warm up the tranny

02-09-2010, 05:35 PM	#6 (permalink)
XLR8SN Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Hawaii Posts: 363 Drives: Nissan Rep Power: 15	Honestly...you cant compare a Hondas shifter to a lot of other brands. To me...the Hondas are one of the best shifters on the market straight from the factory. Miatas are good too...but as a company, the Hondas in general are really easy to use. The 370Z is "smoother" than the older first run of 03 350Z's and G35's...but it still could be a little better. Its bearable though to me.

02-10-2010, 04:20 AM	#10 (permalink)
FuPaXxTyTy Base Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: San Antonio, Texas Posts: 38 Drives: 2010 Nissan 370z Rep Power: 15	best tranny on my 2010 compared to my friends evo x...

02-10-2010, 04:34 AM	#11 (permalink)
vReath Base Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Houston Posts: 128 Drives: PW Nismo #407 Rep Power: 16	i used to work at a Honda dealership as a porter and, of course, was able to drive plenty of cars that came in. like someone stated above, Honda's MT is really easy and smooth. SIs, S2K's, RSX's, and even the regular 5 speed models were smooth compared to the 370. so yeah, it takes a little more effort but you get used to it and eventually find your own way of doing so. I let a friend drive my car around the block - he's had his SI for a few years - and he had to get used to clutch/shifting right off the bat.

02-10-2010, 06:01 AM	#12 (permalink)
Slynky Track Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: McDonough, GA Posts: 595 Drives: 2010 Red 370Z T/S/N Rep Power: 16	Thanks for the additional info, guys ! __________________ A veteran is someone who, at one point in their life, wrote a blank check made payable to "The United States of America," for an amount of "up to and including my life."

02-10-2010, 08:31 AM	#13 (permalink)
Knives Enthusiast Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: New York Posts: 293 Drives: 2009 370z 6MT Rep Power: 15	I agree with Xan on utilizing the rev match, especially when it's real cold outside. I also find that shifting into second gear is a little smoother when you disengage the clutch slowly. __________________ Mods list and pics Click

02-10-2010, 08:48 AM	#14 (permalink)
z370z Base Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Niagara Posts: 222 Drives: 09 370z 6M SPT/NAV Rep Power: 15	I'm from Ontario Canada and before I put my Z into storage this winter I drove it into work one morning at -8 degree Celsius. It was the biggest pain to try and shift, however it only lasted about 5 minutes down the road. After that she shifted perfectly as always! IMO from my own experience, this is not a car to be driven in sub zero temps, mind you all trannys have a tough time in the negative temps

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