Will VVEL position "stay" with no power?

Def · 01-17-2017, 03:40 PM

I guess I messed up with putting a pic/link in a reply that still hasn't shown up...

I'm going to actually build a midlana, so if you search midlana you can find the forums where I'll start my build.

I'm still in information gathering mode and planning a few things out. I'll probably buy a 350Z as a track beater while I'm building this thing as well... heh

There is a FWD VQ35DE that actually has HR heads on it ('09+ Maxima). That'd make it a "bolt-together" affair with all Nissan parts to get a 6 speed transaxle on it and support the axle, so definitely easier. But the problem with that approach is the DE bottom end is really pushing it with revs much above 7k. Rod bolts and a Revup oil pump are like $400, and even then it's maybe only good for 7500... maybe.

They'll put down about 300-310 whp with bolt-ons and stock cams, which I'm sure sounds amazing to you guys, but it's going through a FWD transmission, so probably more like a very lightly bolt-on VQ37 putting down ~290ish rwhp.

The FWD VQ is the easy button, but a VQ37 sure sounds nice for future power potential. I think with an exhaust cam and the VVEL tweaked to give a bit more lift and duration it'd push 350-360 whp in a transverse setup. Obviously with other breathing mods as well... But that sounds pretty nice rather than opening up a "weaker" engine and tossing a bunch of parts at it to just barely equal stock performance of an engine that costs the exact same.

If I did go VQ37, I'd eventually get VVEL working with probably just a few stages then use the throttles like normal. That'd be good enough for me, and probably eliminate the throttle lag VQ37s can tend to have.

Jayhovah · 01-17-2017, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Def

I'm going to actually build a midlana, so if you search midlana you can find the forums where I'll start my build.

Awesome! I have been following Kurt's midlana build from the beginning! Small world. =)

In fact, in my dreams where I get to take on this kind of project, I was going to build a modified midlana (was only going to change some of the non-suspension related frame design for aesthetic purposes).

Good luck! I'll be sure to follow your build on the midlana forums! I have the same user name there, but I only lurk.

Def · 01-17-2017, 06:52 PM

Definitely! I remember reading his Kimini blog back about 8-9 years ago. Then checking up on the Midlana blog a few times here and there. Something clicked when I took my S13 out, and I thought about something new. It's been a great 13 year run, but time for new things.

Given all the scope on the build, I'm maybe leaning a bit more on the FWD VQ. If I can do 320-330 whp, maybe it'll be fast enough for me. I'd ideally like it to run a 10 sec quarter mile on r-comps (not drag slicks). So it'd need to trap probably around 125-130 mph. I don't drag race, just a general want.

I just worry about going to the FWD VQ and either popping engines or wishing I'd gone with the RWD HR variants with their much stronger bottom end.

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01-17-2017, 03:40 PM	#1 (permalink)
Def Base Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Texas Posts: 8 Drives: S13 Track Car Rep Power: 10	I guess I messed up with putting a pic/link in a reply that still hasn't shown up... I'm going to actually build a midlana, so if you search midlana you can find the forums where I'll start my build. I'm still in information gathering mode and planning a few things out. I'll probably buy a 350Z as a track beater while I'm building this thing as well... heh There is a FWD VQ35DE that actually has HR heads on it ('09+ Maxima). That'd make it a "bolt-together" affair with all Nissan parts to get a 6 speed transaxle on it and support the axle, so definitely easier. But the problem with that approach is the DE bottom end is really pushing it with revs much above 7k. Rod bolts and a Revup oil pump are like $400, and even then it's maybe only good for 7500... maybe. They'll put down about 300-310 whp with bolt-ons and stock cams, which I'm sure sounds amazing to you guys, but it's going through a FWD transmission, so probably more like a very lightly bolt-on VQ37 putting down ~290ish rwhp. The FWD VQ is the easy button, but a VQ37 sure sounds nice for future power potential. I think with an exhaust cam and the VVEL tweaked to give a bit more lift and duration it'd push 350-360 whp in a transverse setup. Obviously with other breathing mods as well... But that sounds pretty nice rather than opening up a "weaker" engine and tossing a bunch of parts at it to just barely equal stock performance of an engine that costs the exact same. If I did go VQ37, I'd eventually get VVEL working with probably just a few stages then use the throttles like normal. That'd be good enough for me, and probably eliminate the throttle lag VQ37s can tend to have.

01-17-2017, 06:52 PM	#3 (permalink)
Def Base Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Texas Posts: 8 Drives: S13 Track Car Rep Power: 10	Definitely! I remember reading his Kimini blog back about 8-9 years ago. Then checking up on the Midlana blog a few times here and there. Something clicked when I took my S13 out, and I thought about something new. It's been a great 13 year run, but time for new things. Given all the scope on the build, I'm maybe leaning a bit more on the FWD VQ. If I can do 320-330 whp, maybe it'll be fast enough for me. I'd ideally like it to run a 10 sec quarter mile on r-comps (not drag slicks). So it'd need to trap probably around 125-130 mph. I don't drag race, just a general want. I just worry about going to the FWD VQ and either popping engines or wishing I'd gone with the RWD HR variants with their much stronger bottom end.