Brad! Good idea...I was actually looking at that yesterday and planned to do something similar. Seems a few short lengths of slit 6mm silicone will do the trick. Having had a stainless line saw through a power steering hard pipe once I know what you mean! As an expansion of that idea, I think laying a bead of clear silicone inside the split tubing would be super clean and alleviate the need for Zip ties while still holding the "Grommet" in place..
Thanks for the :tup: Haven't started playing with the intake yet, but you can bet the wheels are turning!

Good idea on the silly-cone. Yup, I'll bet they're turnin'! :stirthepot:

With the extra oil and the thermostatic switch set at 180 is there a need for a windage tray and new dipstick?

No....There is no change in the level of the oil in the sump as the additional 1 qt. is carried in the lines and Cooler core. Nothing has really changed...You are just providing an additional cooled path for the oil to flow from Pump>to Cooler>to Filter>to Engine>Back to the sump

i bought a long oil cooler (according to baker precision, they're the same as tru-cool) years ago for my 240sx, but lost my car in an accident before i could install it.

Long / Tru Cool Oil Coolers

according to one of the guys at baker, the setrab uses a fin design "a lot better" for cooling. the tru-cool/ long is sturdier, but not as good at cooling.

he didnt sound that convincing....

what do you guys think?

Not sure really what you're asking, but I will say, after running this cooler for 1+ months, that it delivers pretty much all you'll need on the street. My temps run at 195-210 degrees under all conditions..

Mod,

What's the highest ambient temp you had in NC so far while you've been running hard?

It's been over 100 here for the last week or two, and I'm wondering what kind of cooling I'd get...

in 90 degree temps I haven't been able to push it beyond 215 degrees..

and down here in Atlanta, during rush hour stop and go traffic the other day, I hit 255! This is definitely on my to do list when I get time.

i just wanted to ask whether you think the setrab coolers are significantly better than the tru-cool. i'm planning on tracking my car, but i dont want to go through the hassle/ expense of ordering another cooler if this one is sufficient.

also, racerparts wholesale is out of the mocal sandwich plates. do you think this one would work? does it have the right specs?

Perma-Cool 186 - Perma-Cool Sandwich Oil Adapters – SummitRacing.com

i do not need a thermostatic function b/c i'm in southern california.

thanks again for all your great info.

brian

I don't think the temp deltas will be more than a few degrees actually (from seeing data reported here). If you don't need the thermo function than any Plate will work. That one linked should do the job..

A bit off topic Modshack but where did you get the vinyl kit for your bumper?

No Vinyl kit....I had some accident damage that meant a new front Bumper. I just had them NOT PAINT the fang area....

http://images50.fotki.com/v1514/phot...MG_1896-vi.jpg

Ohh nice!

Hey Modshack,

does having a cooler change the oil change procedure in any way? I'm thinking the oil stuck in the cooler/hose won't be drained out during an oil change. Can you explain the concept of this? Thanks.

Not a problem and very easy. Just undo one or both of the AN fittings at the adapter plate and drain the cooler. Since the tru-cool mounts with the ports down it is easy to drain it. A port up design would result in a cooler full of old oil remaining in the system..

http://images43.fotki.com/v1505/phot...MG_1708-vi.jpg

ah gotcha thanks.

I apologize if this has been addressed, but is there any clearance issues between the elbows at the oil filter and the panel that covers the oil pan on the underside of the car?

On mine (the Stillen kit, but same basic issues at the sandwich plate) I simply rotated the sandwich plate a little so that the connections are on the front side rather than the bottom (not completely 90 degrees from the picture, but damn near it). I did that more for easy oil filter removal than for ground clearance, I don't think it's an issue regardless of direction.

Good to hear :tup:

hey Modshack, any increase in water temperature now that there's an obstruction to the radiator? and does that mean when u change your oil, u put in more than the standard 5 litres?

im interested in getting an oil cooler done as well but am looking at possible downsides to it..

Water temps do not seem to be an issue at all...This car runs very cool in the 182-190F range. Car now takes +1 Qt of oil.

Great thread, thanks Modshack! :tup:

i have a question modshack would a 36 row or 48 row cooler be any different with any of the other fittings?

All the fittings would be the same. A cooler that big might be overkill for the street though based on the temps I'm seeing. (OK for track though)

i plan on taking my car to the track as often as i can afford lol so i may get the 36 row just incase thanks modshack rep+1

when do you plan on your first track event?

I just completed Modshack's cooler install yesterday with the same cooler as he used, and have track events on the 25th and 30th. I should be able to report back on the effectiveness soon if you can wait.

i have my first track day at MSR on oct. 30th my buddy is friends with the people that run it and we have a 4 hour session there.

also modshack what exactly did you use for the bracket?

4 hour endurance????

Anyway, should have feedback for you by Oct 1st. Car is all ready for the track now.

For my bracket, I got a piece of flat metal stock from Lowes and cut it to size.

no we just have use of the track for 4 hours

Just a simple 1/8" thick rectangle of aluminum, drilled to match the cooler on one side and the existing cross-brace holes on the other. More pics:
Oil Cooler fabrication and install album | Ttschwing | Fotki.com

Please excuse me if I'm just a little slow and don't understand but I do have a question sort of.

You stated that the sandwich plate does not open up and allow oil flow through the lines and cooler until 180F.
You also stated you drain the cooler/lines during oil changes.

During an oil change, I assume the oil isn't 180F, thus the plate isn't open, so do you do the change, drain the cooler, then let the car idle up to 180F and check the oil levels again and add more oil to account for the increased volume that is not accessible?

If you don't, would you not run low on oil, or does oil somehow fill back into the filter, lines and cooler during the change process?
Would this be any different without a thermostatic sandwich plate if you drained the cooler each time?

Sorry, I admit I have limited knowledge in this area, it just seems to me, that if you drain the cooler, oil has no way of getting back in there until the car is started and the pump flowing, thus you would need to recheck and compensate the oil level after inspecting for leaks. Thus a thermostatic plate would require the car to be started and warmed to at least 180F and do this. Is this correct?

I think you're making it a bit more complicated than it really is.

There is always oil flow through the cooler regardless of temp. When cold it is a limited flow, but the thermo plate remains slightly open to allow this and avoid thermal shock when the 180 point is reached. 180 is the point that the plate opens fully for max flow and cooling.

Popping off one of the AN fittings at the plate allows oil in the cooler to drain by gravity as it is mounted higher on the car

When started up the cooler is immediately filled.

Final oil levels should always be checked and adjusted after filling to approx. levels, running the car to fill the filter and cooler, and allowing oil to drain back to the sump for accurate measurement via the dipstick.

Alright, I understand now. Thanks. :tup:

mike so you still were up to the 260 range huh? hmm i may have to get one size bigger just to be safe.

alright all my parts have been ordered ill be undergoing this job soon! i also went with the 36 row cooler instead of the 24, just to be on the safe side

just an update everything is installed and oil temps haven't seen above 190-200 degrees and that's me pushing it as much as i could on the street.

That's great news. Did you do the install as per the OP? I've done a couple of oil coolers in my time, also used the Aeroquip lines and never had issues.

Whether on the track or the street, Heat = bad

My first Mod will be an oil cooler, prolly the same spec as the OP. Great post, Modshack, ftw!

Could you flip an oil cooler upside down to have the oil coming out the bottom or do you have to buy one designed like that?

Huh? I'm confused...My install DOES have the lines coming out the bottom. If the question is can any cooler be set-up this way, then the answer is yes. It makes no difference, Top, Bottom, or side. Just keep in mind, if you have the feeds lines coming out of the top of the cooler, you'll always have a quart of dirty oil in there when you do oil changes...