Akebonos not up to heavy track use!

Mike · 11-04-2009, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by imag

Yeah - I've been wondering about how bad the balance would be with just fronts. Although the fact that people have been destroying rear rotors with just HP+ pads worries me. I realize that better fronts would lighten the load on the rears to some extent, but I still don't like going to a different setup than what AP or StopTech have engineered. Both companies really care about balance, so I'd tend to trust them if they swap both. On the other hand, they are trying to sell brakes...

The balance is fine with Brembos front 6 piston upgrade. I am extremely happy with mine. It uses your stock rotors and just comes with pads, calipers and lines. I get my stuff wholesale, but Lou @ amplified sells the kit for 1800, which is a really good deal and well worth it.

Chris,
My first track day with the car I was running HP+ in front and stock on the rear. I wore the rears completely down to the backing plate in one 20 minute session (little talladega). HP+ rears lasted me 1 day at road atlanta and 1 day at little talladega.
Ferodo DS2500 rears lasted me 3 days at CMP and 1 at Road Atlanta.

For comparison, with the front brembos came with FM1000 pads, which are supposed to be the same compound as the 2500s, I have gotten 5 full days at CMP and Road A, and they will probably make my next two days at Road A before needing replacement. My front rotora rotors however, have all kinds of stress cracks in them.

I've never had anywhere near the issues with brakes on either my 350z or C6, but that could be because I was only doing 1-2 events a year, and early this summer stepped that up to 1-2 per month, so I am driving a lot better now.

imag · 11-04-2009, 10:49 PM

Mike - are your Rotaras cross drilled? With cracking, I assume so.

You make a decent case for the Brembos, but the fact that they are still eating pads and rotors is a bit of a drag. I suppose 5 track days isn't bad, but I was hoping I could get to a lower maintenance schedule. I guess that's the thing about going to the track... the cost is in the hardware, not the track time.

Thanks to both of you for the thoughts. I think I'll bail on the HP+ at the rear at the very least - I'm sure they're about done by now anyway. Unfortunately, it will be a bit before I have money for a BBK of any type. My current strategy is to just lay off the brakes for the next couple track days; I'm not timing, and I've got a lot of other things to perfect, so late braking isn't really holding me back.

I might see about figuring out the front brake cooling on my own. There just has to be a way to route some air up there. If some good rotors, cooling, and the right pads could hold me off for six months, it would be really nice...

Mike · 11-04-2009, 11:18 PM

No, my rotora rotors are just slotted, not drilled.

ChrisSlicks · 11-05-2009, 09:18 AM

Mike, did you come up with a ducting solution yet? Sounds like you are getting those rotors crazy hot.

I was trying to figure out the best way to modify the backing plate to accept a duct, and then figure out how to connect the duct to the holes in the fangs.

Mike · 11-05-2009, 09:35 AM

not yet, I'm waiting for someone else to come up with one. I've only got one more track day this year, and its road atlanta, which gives plenty of cooling time for the brakes, so hopefully someone will develop one by spring time.

11-04-2009, 11:18 PM	#3 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2188	No, my rotora rotors are just slotted, not drilled. __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

11-05-2009, 09:35 AM	#5 (permalink)
Mike The370Z.com Sponsor Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Loganville, GA Posts: 5,944 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 2188	not yet, I'm waiting for someone else to come up with one. I've only got one more track day this year, and its road atlanta, which gives plenty of cooling time for the brakes, so hopefully someone will develop one by spring time. __________________ NISSAN: 75 280Z / 86 300ZX GLL /87 Sentra SE / 03 350Z / 23 Z Porsche: 93 968 / 23 Macan GTS / 93 968

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11-04-2009, 10:49 PM	#2 (permalink)
imag Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 446 Drives: up the wall Rep Power: 18	Mike - are your Rotaras cross drilled? With cracking, I assume so. You make a decent case for the Brembos, but the fact that they are still eating pads and rotors is a bit of a drag. I suppose 5 track days isn't bad, but I was hoping I could get to a lower maintenance schedule. I guess that's the thing about going to the track... the cost is in the hardware, not the track time. Thanks to both of you for the thoughts. I think I'll bail on the HP+ at the rear at the very least - I'm sure they're about done by now anyway. Unfortunately, it will be a bit before I have money for a BBK of any type. My current strategy is to just lay off the brakes for the next couple track days; I'm not timing, and I've got a lot of other things to perfect, so late braking isn't really holding me back. I might see about figuring out the front brake cooling on my own. There just has to be a way to route some air up there. If some good rotors, cooling, and the right pads could hold me off for six months, it would be really nice...

11-05-2009, 09:18 AM	#4 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 655	Mike, did you come up with a ducting solution yet? Sounds like you are getting those rotors crazy hot. I was trying to figure out the best way to modify the backing plate to accept a duct, and then figure out how to connect the duct to the holes in the fangs.