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bdl99 11-26-2010 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by wheee! (Post 821922)
WOOT WOOT!

First backup camera kit to factory Nav head on a 2010 in Canada! Installed the system tonight in 2 hours and it works like advertised, no problems at all!

Thanks guys! Great product and service :tup:
Glad to hear it.

bdl99 11-26-2010 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 815857)
2009:
1. daisuke149
2. jpritche
3. kevin1985912
4. douglaslperry
5. ENT-Z
6. kenyada
7. Smallywood
8. fatboy1020
9. toner123
10. nissan ned
11. pensfan
12. phelan
13. Juruki
14. wilsonp
15. CharBoiler
16. Lloydy
17. Asmar
18. Zippin
19. The Weapon

updated
Jeff: Just a thought, but what about posting on the GT-R forum. I'm pretty sure that the 2009 NavTool solution for the 2009 370z is the same as the 2009/10 GT-R solution. If that is the case maybe I can drum up some group buy interest from 2009/10 GT-R owners? That way we can get to the required numbers and help the 2009 owners out.

toner123 11-26-2010 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bdl99 (Post 822642)
Jeff: Just a thought, but what about posting on the GT-R forum. I'm pretty sure that the 2009 NavTool solution for the 2009 370z is the same as the 2009/10 GT-R solution. If that is the case maybe I can drum up some group buy interest from 2009/10 GT-R owners? That way we can get to the required numbers and help the 2009 owners out.
Jeff was able to get navtool to give us the deal with the 11 we have. He is waiting AK's approval.
Frank

Jeffblue 11-26-2010 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by toner123 (Post 822904)
Jeff was able to get navtool to give us the deal with the 11 we have. He is waiting AK's approval.
Frank
^Yep

dixon cider 11-27-2010 02:50 AM
Awesome job guys!:tup:

Lloydy 11-27-2010 07:54 AM
:iagree: Great job guys :tup:

GTRFAN 11-28-2010 07:10 PM
Hi guys,

Where is the part number and web site fir this? Im in Australia with an 2009 and I'd like to get one. I'll just buy it directly if I can be sure it'll work.

What interfaces are required behind the unit? I know our local aussie spec comes with NAV stock but it doesn't have the HDD like you guys get.

Is the Canadian one the same as the US spec or is it like mine?

Thanks guys
Darren

vazquezdd 11-29-2010 11:57 AM
2010 rear camera install
 
Did the install Saturday on my 2010 and it worked perfectly. The trunk panels all came out easily with a set of trim removal tools. Took me about 6 hours, but I work very slowly... wheee! I don't know how you did it in 2 hours!

bdl99- you might want to add to the instructions the need to protect the area behind the shifter, where the seat heater switches are located, from scratches because the metal clips under the console finisher piece are sharp.

Jeffblue 11-29-2010 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by GTRFAN (Post 825806)
Hi guys,

Where is the part number and web site fir this? Im in Australia with an 2009 and I'd like to get one. I'll just buy it directly if I can be sure it'll work.

What interfaces are required behind the unit? I know our local aussie spec comes with NAV stock but it doesn't have the HDD like you guys get.

Is the Canadian one the same as the US spec or is it like mine?

Thanks guys
Darren
www.navtool.com

it says 2009 and 2010, but its really only for 2009. you can be included in the group buy if you want, but your shipping would be more. its 175 plus $10 shipping for the USA, let me know if you are interested. send me a PM with your email address if you are.

djpathfinder 11-29-2010 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by vazquezdd (Post 826696)
wheee! I don't know how you did it in 2 hours!
Wheee! just ran the wires through the cabin and didn't bother hiding them. :roflpuke2:

Jeffblue 11-29-2010 12:36 PM
it mostly depends on how comfortable you are with taking the interior paneling off. Me and brian probably spent about 4 hours doing the install on my 370z. But ask either of us, and i think we could each do it again in 1.5 hours.

wheee! 11-29-2010 12:56 PM
Lol! Sorry DJ, I actually did it properly. Just used to working quickly under pressure! Two hours is plenty of time if you are motivated....
(imagine doing tank turret repairs during a rocket attack and a crew anxious to get back in the fight....!)

Quote:
Originally Posted by djpathfinder (Post 826745)
Wheee! just ran the wires through the cabin and didn't bother hiding them. :roflpuke2:

Jeffblue 11-29-2010 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by wheee! (Post 826794)
Lol! Sorry DJ, I actually did it properly. Just used to working quickly under pressure! Two hours is plenty of time if you are motivated....
(imagine doing tank turret repairs during a rocket attack and a crew anxious to get back in the fight....!)
hmm i dunno wheee... that sounds slightly less stressful than car A/V install....
:stirthepot::roflpuke2:

wheee! 11-29-2010 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Jeffblue (Post 826952)
hmm i dunno wheee... that sounds slightly less stressful than car A/V install....
:stirthepot::roflpuke2:
True enough Jeff.... did I mention the rockets? lol :rofl2:

Jeffblue 11-29-2010 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by wheee! (Post 826963)
True enough Jeff.... did I mention the rockets? lol :rofl2:
well, wouldn't know it, but during our install, some of the neighborhood kits were setting off some of these. it was very scary! :roflpuke2:

http://www.cecilw.com/photo/albums/m...del_rocket.jpg

wheee! 11-29-2010 03:47 PM
You got me! That looks wayyyy too scary for me! lol

antivirus6613 11-29-2010 09:14 PM
Did I miss the 2010 group buy!?

bdl99 11-30-2010 06:29 AM
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Originally Posted by antivirus6613 (Post 827665)
Did I miss the 2010 group buy!?
I've sent you a PM with details

Osiris 11-30-2010 10:16 AM
Radio Shack has various different buttons (small & large) that could be used for the bypass kit. Just need the kit :tup: I think the buttons are the only thing that will be different on car to car because everyone has different options and placement won't be the same for all. So if Brian could provide the harness/kit, i'm sure we could manage to wire some buttons in.

wheee! 11-30-2010 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bdl99 (Post 800820)
The camera kit will be ready before the bypass kit for a number of reasons, one being the availability of connectors. I have a small number of the 32pin connectors required for the bypass kit and there are long lead times (I have ordered more but will take at least 2-3 weeks to come from Japan). I already have all the 24pin connectors for camera kits.

Adding the bypass kit later will be very easy and they do plug in to different places so not then end of the world to do separately. I agree there is interest in the bypass kits but also some are very keen to get their hands on the camera kits.

I also want to get some input on what you guys want. On the GT-R I used a remote because I didn't really have anywhere to put the 3 or 4 switches (or didn't want to). I would really like to work with a few of you on the best solution. I see a few potential offerings
1) For those happy to cut and splice wires then I can just write-up a free DIY guide
2) A plug and play harness so no cutting of original wires is required and you use you own switches
3) A plug and play harness with switches
4) A plug and play solution using the remote
I am wondering if we can't get a solution in 3A, where we use only one switch to bypass the NAV in motion and leave the DVD wire grounded all the time. If the DVD wire has no other effect other than to disable the DVD feature in motion it should be irrelevant to being grounded all the time. That would mean a single switch that could be placed in the console centre position. Centre position for the people with touring model or base as that spot is open on both. A factory style push button switch would be awesome and even better if it had an amber light to acknowledge the bypass mode...
thoughts?

bdl99 11-30-2010 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by wheee! (Post 828467)
I am wondering if we can't get a solution in 3A, where we use only one switch to bypass the NAV in motion and leave the DVD wire grounded all the time. If the DVD wire has no other effect other than to disable the DVD feature in motion it should be irrelevant to being grounded all the time. That would mean a single switch that could be placed in the console centre position. Centre position for the people with touring model or base as that spot is open on both. A factory style push button switch would be awesome and even better if it had an amber light to acknowledge the bypass mode...
thoughts?
That is a good idea. Would you not be interested in the backup camera bypass? I quickly put the following together for anyone wanting to take the complete DIY approach.
https://docs.google.com/document/pub...dJDtKoKnP54Qfs

Based on what I'm hearing what I could provide is a plug and play harness to achieve the same results but with NO cutting or tampering with any original wiring. The dilemma is that although the parts aren't that expensive the harnesses are very time consuming to make. I therefore need to to think about the price and get a sense of if people would be interested.

wheee! 11-30-2010 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by bdl99 (Post 828760)
That is a good idea. Would you not be interested in the backup camera bypass? I quickly put the following together for anyone wanting to take the complete DIY approach.
https://docs.google.com/document/pub...dJDtKoKnP54Qfs

Based on what I'm hearing what I could provide is a plug and play harness to achieve the same results but with NO cutting or tampering with any original wiring. The dilemma is that although the parts aren't that expensive the harnesses are very time consuming to make. I therefore need to to think about the price and get a sense of if people would be interested.
I like your thinking and, yes, a switch that worked like the seat heaters that allowed a forward position to bypass NAV lock and a backwards position to engage rearview camera would be a perfect solution. If we could use a similar switch as the seat heaters I would definitely be in for that solution!

bdl99 11-30-2010 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by wheee! (Post 828947)
I like your thinking and, yes, a switch that worked like the seat heaters that allowed a forward position to bypass NAV lock and a backwards position to engage rearview camera would be a perfect solution. If we could use a similar switch as the seat heaters I would definitely be in for that solution!
To do it with a single switch it would need to be a three position switch with up, down and neutral, it would also need to be two pole. Any other switches in the car that might meet that requirement and fit the hole? Can someone send me a picture of the back of any switches that might do the trick?

wheee! 11-30-2010 06:13 PM
The seat heater switch would work! It is a rocker front to back with central neutral. The front position could be NAV VSS on and the central position off (for input) and the rear position camera on!
This is an image of the aftermarket switch for the fog light sold by the Zstore

http://www.op.co.kr/ii/t4/imgd/th201...931fe9d68e.jpg

These parts might work though. They are the factory seat heater switches.
http://www.courtesyparts.com/370z-pa...8759_8763.html

If not, then these:
http://www.wiringproducts.com/conten...ker_switch.jpg
at this web store
http://www.wiringproducts.com/

wheee! 11-30-2010 06:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bdl99 (Post 828760)
That is a good idea. Would you not be interested in the backup camera bypass? I quickly put the following together for anyone wanting to take the complete DIY approach.
https://docs.google.com/document/pub...dJDtKoKnP54Qfs

Based on what I'm hearing what I could provide is a plug and play harness to achieve the same results but with NO cutting or tampering with any original wiring. The dilemma is that although the parts aren't that expensive the harnesses are very time consuming to make. I therefore need to to think about the price and get a sense of if people would be interested.
Your image links are broken in your google doc by the way :shakes head: :icon17:

PW370z 11-30-2010 07:34 PM
As far as the bypass kit is concerned....I think the remote is the best option. You can just store it in the glove box or center console, and then you or your passenger can control the settings. It would be like a movable switch console and you don't have to change the interior.

I would be down for a kit using a remote (like the one you made for the GTR). I don't want to add any switches to the interior, and already have the foglight switch in the center console between the seat heaters.

dixon cider 11-30-2010 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by PW370z (Post 829154)
As far as the bypass kit is concerned....I think the remote is the best option. You can just store it in the glove box or center console, and then you or your passenger can control the settings. It would be like a movable switch console and you don't have to change the interior.

I would be down for a kit using a remote (like the one you made for the GTR). I don't want to add any switches to the interior, and already have the foglight switch in the center console between the seat heaters.
:iagree:
Having a convertible, and heated/cooled seats, I don't have any blank spots.

wheee! 11-30-2010 08:06 PM
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Originally Posted by PW370z (Post 829154)
As far as the bypass kit is concerned....I think the remote is the best option. You can just store it in the glove box or center console, and then you or your passenger can control the settings. It would be like a movable switch console and you don't have to change the interior.

I would be down for a kit using a remote (like the one you made for the GTR). I don't want to add any switches to the interior, and already have the foglight switch in the center console between the seat heaters.
The downside to this is the cost of the remote transmitter and receiver units. I see your point on this if you already filled the centre position on your console or have a convertible.

Perhaps there could be two options? One system with a switch and one with a remote! I personally do not like the idea of having to look for a remote to engage the NAV bypass or turn on the camera. Switch is better for me...

bdl99 11-30-2010 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by wheee! (Post 829034)
Your image links are broken in your google doc by the way :shakes head: :icon17:
Are the image links broken for anyone else? I've tried from several machines and it appears to be working.

Jeffblue 11-30-2010 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by bdl99 (Post 829344)
Are the image links broken for anyone else? I've tried from several machines and it appears to be working.
yea they seem to be broken

bdl99 11-30-2010 09:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by wheee! (Post 829203)
The downside to this is the cost of the remote transmitter and receiver units. I see your point on this if you already filled the centre position on your console or have a convertible.

Perhaps there could be two options? One system with a switch and one with a remote! I personally do not like the idea of having to look for a remote to engage the NAV bypass or turn on the camera. Switch is better for me...
Actually the remote option wont add as much as you might think. But I can see both sides from a choice point of view. I will price out a kit with and without remote.

Osiris 11-30-2010 09:36 PM
I know the NAV bypass allows you to enter destinations while driving...is the NAV bypass also what allows you to play dvds while driving? Or is that something else? If so, than a 3rd button would be required.

djpathfinder 11-30-2010 10:10 PM
I prefer the switch option as well.

dixon cider 12-01-2010 12:59 AM
remote for me. thx.:tiphat:

bdl99 12-01-2010 06:54 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Osiris (Post 829383)
I know the NAV bypass allows you to enter destinations while driving...is the NAV bypass also what allows you to play dvds while driving? Or is that something else? If so, than a 3rd button would be required.
On the 2010 at least I have a very strong feeling that the DVD bypass (ability to see DVD while driving) will need both the speed sensor (commonly referred to as Nav bypass) and the Parking Brake sensor bypass to be in effect.

Therefore the idea for those wanting a hard/physical switch would be a Dual Pole (or maybe tripple pole) On-Off-On switch like this
Full Size Rocker Switches - 1/4'' Tabs
see 7700044 example.

Dual pole On-Off-On switch solution:
The parking brake bypass would be permanent (not sure I like this idea though. Although there appears to be no downside I wonder if it might through an error at the dealer)
Switch in the off position would do nothing
Switch in the up position would use one pole of the switch to bypass speed sensor
Switch in the down position would activate the reversing camera using the second pole of the switch.

Triple pole On-Off-On switch solution (assuming we could find an appropriate switch):
Switch in the off position would do nothing
Switch in the up position would use one pole of the switch to bypass speed sensor and another pole to bypass parking brake sensor
Switch in the down position would activate the reversing camera using the second pole of the switch.

wheee! 12-01-2010 07:59 AM
^ I like the Dual Pole approach. The DVD Park Brake ground wire could be reversed if ever a 'dealer' issue arose, but it is highly unlikely.
To watch a DVD, simply engage the VSS bypass and the vehicle is ready to watch a DVD in motion OR enter NAV info!

warp speed ahead Mr. Sulu! (Brian!)

WRT the switch... someone with mild electrical design ability might be able to make a small circuit board with the correct outputs to control these options intelligently. Otherwise, I believe the heated seat switch is the correct on off on solution. Other than the illuminated top of the switch indicating a seat heater!...

PW370z 12-01-2010 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by dixon cider (Post 829695)
remote for me.
+1

Quote:
Originally Posted by bdl99 (Post 829348)
Actually the remote option wont add as much as you might think. But I can see both sides from a choice point of view. I will price out a kit with and without remote.
:tup:

Just for clarification: the bypass for the camera is just to keep the camera on at all times (use like a rearview mirror), but when put in reverse, the back-up camera will always come on automatically still. Is this correct?

wheee! 12-01-2010 10:57 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by PW370z (Post 830175)
+1


:tup:

Just for clarification: the bypass for the camera is just to keep the camera on at all times (use like a rearview mirror), but when put in reverse, the back-up camera will always come on automatically still. Is this correct?
That is correct. A switch to enable the camera in any gear or neutral.

bdl99 12-01-2010 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by wheee! (Post 830060)
warp speed ahead Mr. Sulu! (Brian!)
Or for the next generation fans:
"Make it so..."

I will look to create a harness with a connector that will allow connection to the remote unit or physical switch. That way I can offer you guys the choice with common components.

Jeff: Let me know if you are interested in another trip to NJ

cramcram 12-01-2010 09:53 PM
Speaking of disabling things...how about disabling the signal to the Nav unit that tells it the Roadsters's top is open? This disables the voice recognition even if the car is stopped.


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