Broken wheel stud and lug nut.

semtex · 04-13-2009, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bdanna

add me to the list of those 370Z's with the wrong wheel locks installed by the dealer. Read this thread, checked mine and unfortunately they are the tapered locks, the wrong ones. Fortunately, no harm no foul, I re-installed the stock lugs that they conveniently left me in the glove box. The locking lugs the dealer installed couldn't have been torqued to anything greater than 20#'s, they were just above finger tight. No idea what the dealership is/was thinking, are these guys clueless?

Thanks guys, for bringing this to light.

You know, this just scares me. I mean, some dealer tech puts on wheel lock and can't torque it down properly. Shouldn't that raise a red flag? Wouldn't the common sense next step be to remove the wheel lock and stick a regular lug nut on it? But noooo...what happens? The tech just leaves it on, barely tighter than finger-tight. Is negligence just a way of life for some people?

ChrisSlicks · 04-13-2009, 09:09 AM

Well it seems like they are torqued correctly but what actually is happening is that the stud bottoms out in the nut before the taper makes full contact with the wheel. So it will seem tight at the time but within just a few miles they will start backing off. Mine were only on there for about 40 miles and had backed down from 80 ft/lbs to probably 50 ft/lbs, I can only imagine with a few more miles they would have gone finger tight and eventually probably fell off on their own.

semtex · 04-13-2009, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

Well it seems like they are torqued correctly but what actually is happening is that the stud bottoms out in the nut before the taper makes full contact with the wheel. So it will seem tight at the time but within just a few miles they will start backing off. Mine were only on there for about 40 miles and had backed down from 80 ft/lbs to probably 50 ft/lbs, I can only imagine with a few more miles they would have gone finger tight and eventually probably fell off on their own.

Ah, I see. Makes sense. Okay, my faith in humanity is restored. Partially, at least.

Educ8r · 04-14-2009, 06:12 PM

So today I heard a hissing sound from the passenger rear tire. I go around to check and there is a piece of metal sticking in my tire. When I put the spare on the wheel lock BROKE, yes it BROKE!

So I managed to go to Discount Tire during rush hour. I was told the tire could not be repaired. The technician said, "Wow these tires are expensive, $325 a piece! Unfortunately there aren't any in the state of Texas!" He said I should go to Nissan and try to get them to give me another tire since the car is still new. Ok... I already know Nissan isn't going to give me a new tire, but I live in the 4th largest city in the US and a huge tire company doesn't have the size for my car.

IF YOUR CAR CAME WITH WHEEL LOCKS ON TAKE THEM OFF AND GET THE RIGHT ONES!

Tomorrow I have to take off work to take care of this and I can guarantee you Nissan will not have the tire in stock nor will they have the CORRECT wheel locks. I've dealt with Nissan long enough to know this.

Fortunately they were able to remove the broken wheel lock. By the way the wheel lock felt like a piece of plastic.

I hate and I mean HATE driving with a spare!

Oh well... I'll let you know what the A$$holes say at Nissan.

kevr6 · 04-16-2009, 09:11 PM

One of mine broke also. i went to the dealer and bought replacement lugs! I need to use an extracter to get the rest of the lock off. I guess it was my turn!

ChrisSlicks · 04-16-2009, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kevr6

One of mine broke also. i went to the dealer and bought replacement lugs! I need to use an extracter to get the rest of the lock off. I guess it was my turn!

Sorry to hear that. Do you know which part # you got?

kevr6 · 04-18-2009, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

Sorry to hear that. Do you know which part # you got?

If your refering to the lug, 40224-JK00A with the description "NUT-ROAD"
Thought that was funny!

molamann · 04-25-2009, 11:42 PM

My wheel has the same looking lug as this:

So I'm gonna go ahead and purchase these:
CourtesyParts :: Nissan Flat Washer Style Wheel Lock - 2009 370Z

But can I remove the current lug nuts by myself or is it something the dealer has to do since it's a wheel "lock?"

wstar · 04-26-2009, 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by molamann

My wheel has the same looking lug as this:

So I'm gonna go ahead and purchase these:
CourtesyParts :: Nissan Flat Washer Style Wheel Lock - 2009 370Z

But can I remove the current lug nuts by myself or is it something the dealer has to do since it's a wheel "lock?"

In your picture, it looks like you've got 4 lugs and one bare stud with nothing on it, am I looking at it wrong?

In any case, if there are wheel locks installed, they should have supplied you with the "key" (looks like a socket adapter). Mine was ziptied to the jack / lug wrench stuff in the trunk under the carpets.

AK370Z · 04-26-2009, 01:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Educ8r

Do you know the idiots gave me these... I think I will just order my own.

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

Semtex used some McGuards but technically they are not the right part.

These are the correct ones.
- Nissan Courtesy Parts - 370Z Wheel Locks -

It must have a taper and a full shoulder and washer.

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

They may be the right shape but perhaps not the right length. They have different part numbers.

I just received my order and it's the same ones that Educ8r posted. Here are some pics. I'm not sure why it says 07 G35 sedan..

First I thought they gave me wrong part since the actual item no. do not include z3409. But upon browsing their website, I noticed that they add a 2nd part to all their nissan part no. (maybe to help them identify parts easier).

ChrisSlicks · 04-26-2009, 09:23 AM

Hi AK,

Can you show some pics of the locks themselves? Should be able to tell by a visible inspection and comparison against a standard lug nut.

molamann · 04-27-2009, 03:21 PM

So I'm gonna guess I DON'T have wheel locks installed according to this picture? Because according to my invoice, they charged me $169 for the wheel locks they supposedly installed. At this point I won't be surprised if they didn't even fill my tires with nitrogen which they charged me $99 for.

ChrisSlicks · 04-27-2009, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by molamann

So I'm gonna guess I DON'T have wheel locks installed according to this picture? Because according to my invoice, they charged me $169 for the wheel locks they supposedly installed. At this point I won't be surprised if they didn't even fill my tires with nitrogen which they charged me $99 for.

You have no wheel locks, those are the standard lugs.

They charged you $169? They only cost around $40.

AK370Z · 04-28-2009, 11:00 AM

You're correct anatorey. Even though I didn't call them, but after browsing the site I realized they add that 2nd part to easily identify their products (see below for my previous post) . So, if anyone calling their dealer to order this part, use the part no shown in the picture (to avoid any confusion)

I'm glad everything worked out.

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Originally Posted by AK370Z

First I thought they gave me wrong part since the actual item no. do not include z3409. But upon browsing their website, I noticed that they add a 2nd part to all their nissan part no. (maybe to help them identify parts easier).

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semtex · 04-27-2009, 03:39 PM

Nope, no wheel locks. $169???? Ouch.

04-14-2009, 06:12 PM	#4 (permalink)
Educ8r Enthusiast Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Houston Posts: 397 Drives: a car Rep Power: 18	So today I heard a hissing sound from the passenger rear tire. I go around to check and there is a piece of metal sticking in my tire. When I put the spare on the wheel lock BROKE, yes it BROKE! So I managed to go to Discount Tire during rush hour. I was told the tire could not be repaired. The technician said, "Wow these tires are expensive, $325 a piece! Unfortunately there aren't any in the state of Texas!" He said I should go to Nissan and try to get them to give me another tire since the car is still new. Ok... I already know Nissan isn't going to give me a new tire, but I live in the 4th largest city in the US and a huge tire company doesn't have the size for my car. IF YOUR CAR CAME WITH WHEEL LOCKS ON TAKE THEM OFF AND GET THE RIGHT ONES! Tomorrow I have to take off work to take care of this and I can guarantee you Nissan will not have the tire in stock nor will they have the CORRECT wheel locks. I've dealt with Nissan long enough to know this. Fortunately they were able to remove the broken wheel lock. By the way the wheel lock felt like a piece of plastic. I hate and I mean HATE driving with a spare! Oh well... I'll let you know what the A$$holes say at Nissan. __________________ imagination + creativity = endless possibilities

04-16-2009, 09:11 PM	#5 (permalink)
kevr6 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: N.W. Atlanta Posts: 1,515 Drives: '09 Graphite 370Z 6M Rep Power: 668	One of mine broke also. i went to the dealer and bought replacement lugs! I need to use an extracter to get the rest of the lock off. I guess it was my turn! __________________ *Beware...* Daily Sliding In My ZLED!

04-27-2009, 03:21 PM	#12 (permalink)
molamann A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,666 Drives: 370Z with NAVVVVV Rep Power: 286	So I'm gonna guess I DON'T have wheel locks installed according to this picture? Because according to my invoice, they charged me $169 for the wheel locks they supposedly installed. At this point I won't be surprised if they didn't even fill my tires with nitrogen which they charged me $99 for. Last edited by molamann; 04-27-2009 at 03:25 PM.

04-27-2009, 03:39 PM	#15 (permalink)
semtex A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Behind enemy lines Age: 55 Posts: 5,995 Drives: People to drink Rep Power: 34	Nope, no wheel locks. $169???? Ouch. __________________ "There are no small accidents on this circuit." -- Ayrton Senna 316.8whp & 248 ft/lbs (Dyno Dynamics) \| 319whp & 256 ft/lbs (DynoJet) (04/23/10) Stillen G3 CAI, CBE, Pulley / F.I. LTH / GTSpec Ladder Brace / Setrab Oil Cooler / UpRev-tuned by Forged Perf.

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04-13-2009, 09:09 AM	#2 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 655	Well it seems like they are torqued correctly but what actually is happening is that the stud bottoms out in the nut before the taper makes full contact with the wheel. So it will seem tight at the time but within just a few miles they will start backing off. Mine were only on there for about 40 miles and had backed down from 80 ft/lbs to probably 50 ft/lbs, I can only imagine with a few more miles they would have gone finger tight and eventually probably fell off on their own.

04-25-2009, 11:42 PM	#8 (permalink)
molamann A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,666 Drives: 370Z with NAVVVVV Rep Power: 286	My wheel has the same looking lug as this: So I'm gonna go ahead and purchase these: CourtesyParts :: Nissan Flat Washer Style Wheel Lock - 2009 370Z But can I remove the current lug nuts by myself or is it something the dealer has to do since it's a wheel "lock?"

04-26-2009, 09:23 AM	#11 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 655	Hi AK, Can you show some pics of the locks themselves? Should be able to tell by a visible inspection and comparison against a standard lug nut.