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MightyBobo 04-06-2009 02:20 PM

Got mine fixed this morning. Pity they didnt jack my wheel up w/ the curb rash on it :( lol

I warned them, and they'll probably be removing them from all 370's.

ChrisSlicks 04-06-2009 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 52667)
Got mine fixed this morning. Pity they didnt jack my wheel up w/ the curb rash on it :( lol

I warned them, and they'll probably be removing them from all 370's.

Great news.

Did you have the same ones as Joey?

iceman21_23 04-06-2009 02:48 PM

btw the invoice i had inside the package said these wheel locks are for g37 sedans

JoeyD 04-06-2009 03:05 PM

At least the remainder of the lug can be removed without damaging the wheel. It could be a lot worse...also could have been prevented with a little common sense. One of these things is not like the other....?

MightyBobo 04-07-2009 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 52670)
Great news.

Did you have the same ones as Joey?

Yes, I did. They are Nissan-brand locks, and they did indeed think the 350Z's could be used on the 370's. They were definitely surprised when I said it didnt fit, but I think they will be removing them now, thankfully. I hope so, at least...

BTW, I think its worthy mentioning that, looking at the cheap metal that made these lugs up, I'd almost guarantee that in cold weather, they'd very likely snap when trying to take them off if it was an emergency!

wstar 04-07-2009 12:52 AM

I'm pretty sure I have the same ones pictured multiple times earlier too. They were on the car when I received it, presumably installed by the dealer. Seems to be some kind of standard-issue Nissan locking lug thing. I haven't had any issues yet, but I'd rather not have any in the future.

I hadn't thought about the fact that these don't have washers like the other lugs. Is this really an issue? Should I get them off the car?

SoCal 370Z 04-07-2009 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 52888)
Should I get them off the car?

Yes. If you are using a locking lug that does not match the non-locking lug nuts, and one without a washer when the others have one, then the washerless locking lug is not seating on the rim properly; this affects torque values on the studs and hub, plus can damage your rim. If your dealer installed them, have your dealer replace them with the proper locking lugs.

MightyBobo 04-07-2009 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 52888)
I'm pretty sure I have the same ones pictured multiple times earlier too. They were on the car when I received it, presumably installed by the dealer. Seems to be some kind of standard-issue Nissan locking lug thing. I haven't had any issues yet, but I'd rather not have any in the future.

I hadn't thought about the fact that these don't have washers like the other lugs. Is this really an issue? Should I get them off the car?

Yes - don't even waste time with them. Replace them with stockers and tell the dealership that you want a new set when ones specifically for the 370Z come out. They seriously are crap.

JoeyD 04-07-2009 01:10 PM

Yeah. CRAP! I should get a refund for the price of those stupid lugs. The absolute WORST thing about this whole debacle is that the proper lugs are available.

CourtesyParts :: Nissan Flat Washer Style Wheel Lock - 2009 370Z

wstar 04-07-2009 05:27 PM

We should sticky something about this and change the title so that new owners see it, this is going to be an issue for a *lot* of people I bet.

I just got back from visiting the service manager at my dealer. I gave him the rundown about the broken wheel stud report here, and the differing locking nut part numbers available from Nissan. Sure enough, they've been putting the wrong lock nuts on all of their 370's, not just mine. He had three more on the showroom floor already equipped with the wrong ones. He's ordering a bunch of replacements for all his stock and for my car (and hopefully for anyone else that has purchased in the meantime, I didn't ask or think to until I got home).

He gave me some plain wheel nuts (of the correct type) to put on my car for now and offered to install them himself, but I said I'd do it when I got home.

He says Nissan never notified them about the availability (much less *requirement* apparently) of different lock nuts for the 370Z's wheels. They had never heard of the part before I walked in and told them to look it up. They've been using the same "standard" locknuts they use on every car. I think it's fair to assume a lot of dealers are going to be in the same clueless boat about this.

SoCal 370Z 04-07-2009 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 53194)
We should sticky something about this and change the title so that new owners see it...

We can call it: Launching Locking Lugs and What You Should Know by JoeyD! :wtf2:

semtex 04-07-2009 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by wstar (Post 53194)
We should sticky something about this and change the title so that new owners see it, this is going to be an issue for a *lot* of people I bet.

I just got back from visiting the service manager at my dealer. I gave him the rundown about the broken wheel stud report here, and the differing locking nut part numbers available from Nissan. Sure enough, they've been putting the wrong lock nuts on all of their 370's, not just mine. He had three more on the showroom floor already equipped with the wrong ones. He's ordering a bunch of replacements for all his stock and for my car (and hopefully for anyone else that has purchased in the meantime, I didn't ask or think to until I got home).

He gave me some plain wheel nuts (of the correct type) to put on my car for now and offered to install them himself, but I said I'd do it when I got home.

He says Nissan never notified them about the availability (much less *requirement* apparently) of different lock nuts for the 370Z's wheels. They had never heard of the part before I walked in and told them to look it up. They've been using the same "standard" locknuts they use on every car. I think it's fair to assume a lot of dealers are going to be in the same clueless boat about this.

Speaking of clueless, you guys realize this all has been covered already in this thread, right? http://www.the370z.com/wheels-tires/...html#post25189

I warned everyone in that thread not to use Nissan's standard wheel locks, and supplied the McGard part number for the shank-style locks that do work (this was before Nissan caught up and started selling them under their own name). I've had them on my Z since January without issue.

SoCal 370Z 04-07-2009 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by semtex (Post 53404)
Speaking of clueless, you guys realize this all has been covered already in this thread, right? http://www.the370z.com/wheels-tires/...html#post25189

:driving: Well hell, as if I'm packing an AA-12 with FRAG-12 ammo! :stirthepot: :ughdance: :excited: :eekdance: :)

bdanna 04-12-2009 09:35 PM

add me to the list of those 370Z's with the wrong wheel locks installed by the dealer. Read this thread, checked mine and unfortunately they are the tapered locks, the wrong ones. Fortunately, no harm no foul, I re-installed the stock lugs that they conveniently left me in the glove box. The locking lugs the dealer installed couldn't have been torqued to anything greater than 20#'s, they were just above finger tight. No idea what the dealership is/was thinking, are these guys clueless?

Thanks guys, for bringing this to light.

ChrisSlicks 04-12-2009 09:43 PM

They can't be torqued correctly because they are the wrong ones. Glad you were able to remove them and didn't try and tighten them.

semtex 04-13-2009 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by bdanna (Post 55725)
add me to the list of those 370Z's with the wrong wheel locks installed by the dealer. Read this thread, checked mine and unfortunately they are the tapered locks, the wrong ones. Fortunately, no harm no foul, I re-installed the stock lugs that they conveniently left me in the glove box. The locking lugs the dealer installed couldn't have been torqued to anything greater than 20#'s, they were just above finger tight. No idea what the dealership is/was thinking, are these guys clueless?

Thanks guys, for bringing this to light.

You know, this just scares me. I mean, some dealer tech puts on wheel lock and can't torque it down properly. Shouldn't that raise a red flag? Wouldn't the common sense next step be to remove the wheel lock and stick a regular lug nut on it? But noooo...what happens? The tech just leaves it on, barely tighter than finger-tight. Is negligence just a way of life for some people? :icon14:

ChrisSlicks 04-13-2009 09:09 AM

Well it seems like they are torqued correctly but what actually is happening is that the stud bottoms out in the nut before the taper makes full contact with the wheel. So it will seem tight at the time but within just a few miles they will start backing off. Mine were only on there for about 40 miles and had backed down from 80 ft/lbs to probably 50 ft/lbs, I can only imagine with a few more miles they would have gone finger tight and eventually probably fell off on their own.

semtex 04-13-2009 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 55943)
Well it seems like they are torqued correctly but what actually is happening is that the stud bottoms out in the nut before the taper makes full contact with the wheel. So it will seem tight at the time but within just a few miles they will start backing off. Mine were only on there for about 40 miles and had backed down from 80 ft/lbs to probably 50 ft/lbs, I can only imagine with a few more miles they would have gone finger tight and eventually probably fell off on their own.

Ah, I see. Makes sense. Okay, my faith in humanity is restored. Partially, at least. ;)

Educ8r 04-14-2009 06:12 PM

So today I heard a hissing sound from the passenger rear tire. I go around to check and there is a piece of metal sticking in my tire. When I put the spare on the wheel lock BROKE, yes it BROKE!

So I managed to go to Discount Tire during rush hour. I was told the tire could not be repaired. The technician said, "Wow these tires are expensive, $325 a piece! Unfortunately there aren't any in the state of Texas!" He said I should go to Nissan and try to get them to give me another tire since the car is still new. Ok... I already know Nissan isn't going to give me a new tire, but I live in the 4th largest city in the US and a huge tire company doesn't have the size for my car.

IF YOUR CAR CAME WITH WHEEL LOCKS ON TAKE THEM OFF AND GET THE RIGHT ONES!

Tomorrow I have to take off work to take care of this and I can guarantee you Nissan will not have the tire in stock nor will they have the CORRECT wheel locks. I've dealt with Nissan long enough to know this. :rolleyes:

Fortunately they were able to remove the broken wheel lock. By the way the wheel lock felt like a piece of plastic.

I hate and I mean HATE driving with a spare!:mad: Oh well... I'll let you know what the A$$holes say at Nissan.

AK370Z 04-14-2009 06:32 PM

wow.. I'm very sorry to hear this. My dealer installed a set of wheel locks FREE as a courtesy. I'm going to take them off ASAP. Where's the link to Mcguards part?

Educ8r 04-14-2009 06:35 PM

Mine were FREE too but they are the WRONG kind!

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK370Z (Post 56905)
wow.. I'm very sorry to hear this. My dealer installed a set of wheel locks FREE as a courtesy. I'm going to take them off ASAP. Where's the link to Mcguards part?


ChrisSlicks 04-14-2009 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK370Z (Post 56905)
wow.. I'm very sorry to hear this. My dealer installed a set of wheel locks FREE as a courtesy. I'm going to take them off ASAP. Where's the link to Mcguards part?

Semtex used some McGuards but technically they are not the right part.

These are the correct ones.
- Nissan Courtesy Parts - 370Z Wheel Locks -

It must have a taper and a full shoulder and washer.

Educ8r 04-16-2009 03:10 PM

Do you know the idiots gave me these... I think I will just order my own.
http://img.skitch.com/20090416-kbsk2...an8nisjawt.jpg

keioh 04-16-2009 04:43 PM

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What I don't get is how Nissan can call these "Wheel Locks" when all you need is a simple tool to unscrew them.

When I got my new Z, the sales guy told me he'll include the wheel locks for free. So I went to go pick it up and mentioned about the Locks, he said he never mentioned about the free locks and that he meant to say he'll "Install" them for free. As you can imagine, this dealership has lost a lifelong service customer. I ordered the right ones from Courtesy Parts.
On top of that they installed their plastic license frame in the back with one of the screws crooked and only halfway in tight and managed to screw up the j-nut.

MightyBobo 04-16-2009 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Educ8r (Post 57986)
Do you know the idiots gave me these... I think I will just order my own.
http://img.skitch.com/20090416-kbsk2...an8nisjawt.jpg

They got me got these too, and they appear to be the same type as the 370 locking lugs. They are the washer style and whatnot.

ChrisSlicks 04-16-2009 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MightyBobo (Post 58069)
They got me got these too, and they appear to be the same type as the 370 locking lugs. They are the washer style and whatnot.

They may be the right shape but perhaps not the right length. They have different part numbers.

MightyBobo 04-16-2009 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 58072)
They may be the right shape but perhaps not the right length. They have different part numbers.

I dont disagree, but they sure seemed to be tightening down onto the wheel properly.

They certainly arent as short as the 350Z's ones, thankfully.

kevr6 04-16-2009 09:11 PM

One of mine broke also. i went to the dealer and bought replacement lugs! I need to use an extracter to get the rest of the lock off. I guess it was my turn!

ChrisSlicks 04-16-2009 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by kevr6 (Post 58209)
One of mine broke also. i went to the dealer and bought replacement lugs! I need to use an extracter to get the rest of the lock off. I guess it was my turn!

Sorry to hear that. Do you know which part # you got?

kevr6 04-18-2009 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 58261)
Sorry to hear that. Do you know which part # you got?

If your refering to the lug, 40224-JK00A with the description "NUT-ROAD"
Thought that was funny!
:tup:

AK370Z 04-19-2009 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 56957)
Semtex used some McGuards but technically they are not the right part.

These are the correct ones.
- Nissan Courtesy Parts - 370Z Wheel Locks -

It must have a taper and a full shoulder and washer.

Thank you ChrisSlicks. I have just placed the order. :tup:

XenChi 04-25-2009 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by AK370Z (Post 59135)
Thank you ChrisSlicks. I have just placed the order. :tup:


I just did the same, thank you for the due diligence.:tiphat:

molamann 04-25-2009 11:42 PM

My wheel has the same looking lug as this:

http://www.the370z.com/attachments/w...ut-lug-002.jpg

So I'm gonna go ahead and purchase these:
CourtesyParts :: Nissan Flat Washer Style Wheel Lock - 2009 370Z

But can I remove the current lug nuts by myself or is it something the dealer has to do since it's a wheel "lock?"

wstar 04-26-2009 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by molamann (Post 63242)
My wheel has the same looking lug as this:

So I'm gonna go ahead and purchase these:
CourtesyParts :: Nissan Flat Washer Style Wheel Lock - 2009 370Z

But can I remove the current lug nuts by myself or is it something the dealer has to do since it's a wheel "lock?"

In your picture, it looks like you've got 4 lugs and one bare stud with nothing on it, am I looking at it wrong?

In any case, if there are wheel locks installed, they should have supplied you with the "key" (looks like a socket adapter). Mine was ziptied to the jack / lug wrench stuff in the trunk under the carpets.

AK370Z 04-26-2009 01:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Educ8r (Post 57986)
Do you know the idiots gave me these... I think I will just order my own.
http://img.skitch.com/20090416-kbsk2...an8nisjawt.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 56957)
Semtex used some McGuards but technically they are not the right part.

These are the correct ones.
- Nissan Courtesy Parts - 370Z Wheel Locks -

It must have a taper and a full shoulder and washer.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks (Post 58072)
They may be the right shape but perhaps not the right length. They have different part numbers.

I just received my order and it's the same ones that Educ8r posted. Here are some pics. I'm not sure why it says 07 G35 sedan..

http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/s...m/IMG_0570.jpg

http://i576.photobucket.com/albums/s...m/IMG_0567.jpg

First I thought they gave me wrong part since the actual item no. do not include z3409. But upon browsing their website, I noticed that they add a 2nd part to all their nissan part no. (maybe to help them identify parts easier).

ChrisSlicks 04-26-2009 09:23 AM

Hi AK,

Can you show some pics of the locks themselves? Should be able to tell by a visible inspection and comparison against a standard lug nut.

molamann 04-27-2009 03:21 PM

So I'm gonna guess I DON'T have wheel locks installed according to this picture? Because according to my invoice, they charged me $169 for the wheel locks they supposedly installed. At this point I won't be surprised if they didn't even fill my tires with nitrogen which they charged me $99 for.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2q2eb10.jpg

ChrisSlicks 04-27-2009 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by molamann (Post 63966)
So I'm gonna guess I DON'T have wheel locks installed according to this picture? Because according to my invoice, they charged me $169 for the wheel locks they supposedly installed. At this point I won't be surprised if they didn't even fill my tires with nitrogen which they charged me $99 for.

http://i41.tinypic.com/2q2eb10.jpg

You have no wheel locks, those are the standard lugs.

They charged you $169? They only cost around $40.

semtex 04-27-2009 03:39 PM

Nope, no wheel locks. $169???? Ouch.

molamann 04-27-2009 04:29 PM

I just got off the phone and parts dept. is telling me part #999h1-a7009 is supposed to the be wheel locks for my 370Z. However, a quick google search shows that the wheels locks are for 370Z Grand Touring/Track models and Frontier LE. So I told him to look up part #999W2-JT000 and #999W2-Z3409 which is supposedly the correct wheel locks for the 370Z and he told me that it is nonexistent in their bench stock.

So I'm kind of confused on what I'm supposed to do now since they already charged me $169 for wheel locks that they never installed in the first place. I asked him several times if he's 100% sure whether the wheel locks he told me are correct and he kept insisting that is the right part #. I highly doubt the dealership will refund me the money either so should I just wait a couple of months until the dealership gets a clue?


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