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Old 08-10-2010, 03:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Nothing new, since car manufactures started investing in more tech (mainly wireless signals) it has become very easy to gain entrance into a car. Either digitally or physically, but give a couple years and they will learn to properly secure these signals.
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Nothing new, since car manufactures started investing in more tech (mainly wireless signals) it has become very easy to gain entrance into a car. Either digitally or physically, but give a couple years and they will learn to properly secure these signals.
No they won't. Security is always three steps behind. They'd only secure it by removing the wireless and/or bluetooth aspects of it.
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No they won't. Security is always three steps behind. They'd only secure it by removing the wireless and/or bluetooth aspects of it.
True, but a simple encryption would help stop the majority of criminals or hackers. Most are not smart enough or have the time to deal with newer technology, but the problem is car manufactures probably care even less as there are no laws or requirements saying these signals need to be secure.
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i really don't understand how this could be useful to a hacker. aren't the TPMS sensors just an device which relays data TO the ECU. i dont see what kind of data the ECU could possibly send to these things.

and would the hackers charge us 50 dollars (like the dealer) to hack our TPMS?
Hacker: *rolls down window* excuse me sir, i just hacked your TPMS, you're going to have to give me 50 dollars for labor
You: wtf? that only took like 30 seconds...
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i really don't understand how this could be useful to a hacker. aren't the TPMS sensors just an device which relays data TO the ECU. i dont see what kind of data the ECU could possibly send to these things.

and would the hackers charge us 50 dollars (like the dealer) to hack our TPMS?
Hacker: *rolls down window* excuse me sir, i just hacked your TPMS, you're going to have to give me 50 dollars for labor
You: wtf? that only took like 30 seconds...
Hacker: *holds out hand*
If malformed TPMS data can produce a buffer overrun in the ECU, then there's the possibility of executing unintended code. However, this would have to be ECU specific (make, model, year, etc.) so I don't see it as being a widespread issue.
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