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YzGyz 03-12-2014 09:08 AM

School me on turning FI car?
 
Can someone school me some basics on FI tuning. Not just the simple mapping but other hardware recommended/needed. Please pretend I don't know anything about FI and start from there. Like if I just bought a BP kit and installed it. What else should I get/need to get her running right? What rec guges, where is the best place to hook them up, (like connect to engine,electrical, not placement in cabbin), why they are rec., what brand of xxx is good (gauges, controllers, ecu).

Thanks for your time.

Chuck33079 03-12-2014 09:15 AM

Do you mean all of the supporting mods, or just tuning and monitoring? Gauges will come down to personal preference as far as type as long as you don't get some Prosport garbage. As far as which gauges, boost and AFR are the bare minimum. As far as where you hook them up, boost will take a reference off a pressurized part of the intake tract like the manifold. AFR will either use your OEM O2 sensors or an additional one.

YzGyz 03-12-2014 09:39 AM

"Do you mean all of the supporting mods, or just tuning and monitoring? Gauges will come down to personal preference as far as type as long as you don't get some Prosport garbage. As far as which gauges, boost and AFR are the bare minimum."

both and everything. School me like if everything is Greek. It's understood that what gauges to use/get is personal but from a person that don't know jack, how and where do I find out what I "think" I want?

I'm just researching as My car id still under warranty but I think it end this year hence my research on boost. So Far I'm digging BP but I might go custom from either a buddy's buddy or Jtranz.

Thank Chuck, please enlighten me some more.

theDreamer 03-12-2014 09:40 AM

http://www.the370z.com/forced-induct...ion-noobs.html

Start here.
Besides the kit itself, whichever you choose, you will need cooling upgrades for items such as oil & radiator, gauges per what chuck said, along with possibly clutch/flywheel/csc, and after that you start to fall into the not 100% required category. Things such as, vented hood & fender liner, meth/water injection, e85 fuel (requires additional fuel components).

Chuck33079 03-12-2014 09:53 AM

Dreamer's got it.

As a generality, you want a clutch/flywheel/csc, radiator, oil cooler, boost gauge and AFR gauge. You'll need a boost controller of some type for a turbo kit. Manual vs electronic is a whole thread on its own.

As for what type of gauges/monitoring, how deep is your wallet? I went with a Defi boost gauge and Innovate wideband on the A pillar, so it was fairly economical. You can go nuts here. Dreamer's setup is awesome, but I can't imagine it being cheap to replicate.

And not to crap on anybody's buddy or something like that, but go with a kit that has had its kinks worked out. Whether that's BP or a local shop, don't be a guinea pig.

theDreamer 03-12-2014 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2731117)
Dreamer's got it.

As a generality, you want a clutch/flywheel/csc, radiator, oil cooler, boost gauge and AFR gauge. You'll need a boost controller of some type for a turbo kit. Manual vs electronic is a whole thread on its own.

As for what type of gauges/monitoring, how deep is your wallet? I went with a Defi boost gauge and Innovate wideband on the A pillar, so it was fairly economical. You can go nuts here. Dreamer's setup is awesome, but I can't imagine it being cheap to replicate.

And not to crap on anybody's buddy or something like that, but go with a kit that has had its kinks worked out. Whether that's BP or a local shop, don't be a guinea pig.

:iagree:
While a "custom" setup might be nice, one that has shown its ability and quality is a better option than be a test subject. BP has a very high quality kit and fantastic customer service, I believe there is a kit coming to Houston soon also.

Chuck33079 03-12-2014 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2731121)
:iagree:
While a "custom" setup might be nice, one that has shown its ability and quality is a better option than be a test subject. BP has a very high quality kit and fantastic customer service, I believe there is a kit coming to Houston soon also.

There is. I'll be assisting on the install in the next couple of weeks.

theDreamer 03-12-2014 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2731125)
There is. I'll be assisting on the install in the next couple of weeks.

If I can stop by I might try that, curious to see the kit, in final wedding mode so not a lot of free time.
Going to be some good FI builds in Houston with the 370z platform.

Chuck33079 03-12-2014 10:00 AM

Can't see why that would be an issue. You might get put to work.

theDreamer 03-12-2014 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2731131)
Can't see why that would be an issue. You might get put to work.

:icon18:
I will just stalk from my car with binoculars.

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Chuck33079 03-12-2014 10:06 AM

And OP, everything I said is really for a turbo application. The boost gauge isn't as critical on a SC since your boost level is determined by pulley size and not subject to as much of the variance a turbo is.

Chuck33079 03-12-2014 10:07 AM

A safe assumption is you'll spend very nearly as much on supporting mods, install and tuning as the kit cost. Budget that much, and if you come in under so much the better. You don't want to get caught short and have to cut corners somewhere. It's such a slippery slope once you get into something like this. You'll spend a fortune on things that you might as well swap out "while you're in there".

jwick 03-12-2014 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2731117)
Whether that's BP or a local shop, don't be a guinea pig.

I kinda resent that statement since I'm the G BP install guinea pig :rofl2:

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2731130)
If I can stop by I might try that, curious to see the kit, in final wedding mode so not a lot of free time.
Going to be some good FI builds in Houston with the 370z platform.

Dude come on by. We'll likely be at it for three straight weekends getting everything correct.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chuck33079 (Post 2731147)
A safe assumption is you'll spend very nearly as much on supporting mods, install and tuning as the kit cost. Budget that much, and if you come in under so much the better. You don't want to get caught short and have to cut corners somewhere. It's such a slippery slope once you get into something like this. You'll spend a fortune on things that you might as well swap out "while you're in there".

Truer words never spoken. Just think of the kit purchase as half your entry price. Now with the BP kit you get a little relief cause it comes with complete oil cooler setup. Not to mention Sasha gives you everything you need to install except your common tools.

theDreamer 03-12-2014 10:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jwick (Post 2731176)
I kinda resent that statement since I'm the G BP install guinea pig :rofl2:



Dude come on by. We'll likely be at it for three straight weekends getting everything correct.



Truer words never spoken. Just think of the kit purchase as half your entry price. Now with the BP kit you get a little relief cause it comes with complete oil cooler setup. Not to mention Sasha gives you everything you need to install except your common tools.

Well the kit is solid on the 370z and honestly the fitment should not be that much different for the G. Well wedding is not until April 4 but every weekend is mostly full of meetings and final planning items. We were both talking that we should have just ran off and got married in Vegas, party, gamble, have fun, and be done with it quickly. Plus save all the cash...

jwick 03-12-2014 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by theDreamer (Post 2731186)
Well the kit is solid on the 370z and honestly the fitment should not be that much different for the G. Well wedding is not until April 4 but every weekend is mostly full of meetings and final planning items. We were both talking that we should have just ran off and got married in Vegas, party, gamble, have fun, and be done with it quickly. Plus save all the cash...

I'm all for saving the money on the big blow out wedding and putting it toward something you will ues.

As for timing your good, we aren't starting the tear down until mid-April


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