I'm not sure who these supporters are that you speak of. All I see are the tuners (no surprise they're supportive), some people who are excited about the potential of this software, and some people complaining about the lack of results from a beta software :ugh2:

Business requires customers just as much as proven results - which came first, the chicken or the egg? I can't blame the manufacturer's and tuner's attempts to hype up the software because they probably need it. You can't get results without customers, and you can't get customers without results. The car community needs to step up to help get those results out there. I know my tune isn't the best benchmark for many of you (especially the FI crowd), but I did it because I had the opportunity and in the hopes that it can benefit the entire community :tiphat:

I'm not strictly supporting EcuTek at this time, except to say that I am very happy with the initial tune as well as my experience with my tuner. I have zero experience with UpRev, and the results of my initial tune appears to be very comparable to an UpRev tune. However, when they finally release some of the other features (like TCS control) and have more development and data on current features (like VVEL), I predict it will be a no-brainer as to which tune is the best option for the Z. But only time will tell.

Am I an EcuTek homer? Not at all. Am I excited about the potential for the software? You bet. Am I irritated at the impatience many of you are demonstrating? Maybe a little, but I definitely understand it to a certain degree. I guess I just feel that if you are awaiting results before you make your decision, then you should just sit back and wait for results rather than complaining about the lack of them - or jump in yourself and see what EcuTek can do for you. Again, just my :twocents:

Visconti is tuning my FI build in the next few weeks so hopefully that puts a lot of this to rest.

I have awaited results. From ur experience with them the results speak for themselves. Nothing to make me jump ship. Ur gains are decent but nothing greater than what is already out there. The fact they chose you, an almost stock Z to show people what ECUtek can do is a little weird to me. Not sure why they didnt go with a more modded car or FI.

Apparently there's not much they can do still as everything is in BETA mode. They should have there own products ready to go and tested on cars BEFORE all this hype. When you hype something up its cuz ready to go and jus needs marketing.
We the community shouldn't be test guineas at all. They should have everything figured out and done. You know.. Research and development?

Try getting someone who has boost on their car, after all the money they spent to be a test guinea for this company. Just not gonna happen. Maybe in the Honda community but not here when these cars are 20+k. Add in mods and ur lookin at 30k. People with FI even more.

I can understand why ur supporting them, I would too if I got freebies. Don't understand why ur bothered by people that are asking for proof and not promises. Basic principles of business. Wait til you start modding more and then you might understand.

I'm not putting up my boosted G to be a tester. If I was stock like yea then yea sure no problem.

I think they went with a stock/NA Z because 99% of Z owners are sensible and aren't going to boost their car like the rest of us reckless folks :driving:
So they have a bigger market there. It also makes sense as a first mod to get a tune since there are decent gains clearly. Not to mention rev limiter/speed limiter/pedal lag removal/other stuff I cant remember. Plus if they offer lifetime retunes that is a great advantage for new Z owners. Get it tuned and then whenever they get around to mods they can just retune. Just making guess's I have no idea.

Believe me I want to see a boosted Z on Ecutek but no one wants to do it. So allow me to venture into new territory. :roflpuke2:

Good luck! Definitely will be subbed for that!

Just one question, is visconti going to mess with the VVEL? I know from what I have read on here that valve overlap is a limiting factor for those that are FI so I'm just curious if you're going after that also.

First, let's be clear: no one chose me. I chose EcuTek. Dynotronics put a thread out there about wanting a stock Z to mess with (at the time Joe was already working on a track Z - unfortunately, not on the forum) and I jumped at the opportunity and price because let's be honest, there's no need for me to spend $500+ on a tune with my current mods.

All of your points make perfect sense. But some of them work against each other in the real world. EcuTek isn't going to FI a Z and then do all the research on tuning it - they're going to wait until the demand is out there and then work on unlocking previously unavailable features (like VVEL) via software, their specialty. So it then falls to the certified tuners to acquire (whether through a customer or their own car) a FI Z to do full testing and tuning on. EcuTek releases a beta so that people can start testing some features even if others aren't yet available (and likely to help them gauge the public interest). Like you said, "Try getting someone who has boost on their car, after all the money they spent to be a test guinea for this company. Just not gonna happen." Unfortunately, it looks like that's what it's going to take.

People want results. Perfectly reasonable. But a lot of things have to align for them to appear on this forum, and that doesn't appear to be on the fast track to happening. Hopefully, people like MKG can change that :tup:

And this is the internet. When I say something irritates me, its more like this

Not right away. I do want them to but Not until they have a greater feel of the boundaries and limitations. Supposedly VVEL on Ecutek uses different and safer parameters...atleast that's what was posted somewhere in this thread.

Seems like we'll never get VVEL tuning :(

Someone needs to pony up the money and buy a used VQ37 off ebay. They go for cheap...like 2-3k. Then let a shop mess with that.

Like this
09 Nissan 370Z Touring Edition Factory Complete Engine Assembly 39K Z34 VQ37 | eBay

That's not a bad idea :tup: Probably don't need to pay extra for the "Touring Edition" though :icon17:

Haha it was the first I could find that wasnt the awd version. Anyways I've seen them go for $2000 flat already with low miles.

elperuano- the way you are attacking EcuTek about "not havin their product ready" sounds like you think UpRev was full featured and ready to go out of the starting gate. UpRev still updates constantly.

I have no tune experience at all either, which is why im going to lean towards EcuTek, to help the community out. Im not crazy modded, basic bolt on, test pipes, exhaust, and intakes will be on the way shortly. I've PMed Visconti about what tune deals hes going to be doing and when he will be back in my area for it. Just waiting to hear back.
But if necessary I will contemplate a remote tune from Dynotronics. Especially with his guarantee of free tune updates and the such like that. Only thing is then I will not have a dyno graph for proven results. But I am more than willing to 'help out' in these beta phases of this software

I'm not attacking ECUtek at all. Just want proof of what they're claiming like everyone else has stated. If ECUtek can do what they claim it will be a great product.

As far as Uprev goes when they originally released the software they had their eggs in order if I recall from my350 days. More organized and it went smoothly. The knock on then was that it wasn't a complete stand-alone.