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Induction parts + ECU reflash dyno results

Originally Posted by Phimosis Sorry the image quality is low. I snapped this from my iPhone. Black line: Stock, but with rear muffler section removed. Red line: Stillen G3 intakes,

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Old 07-28-2009, 04:50 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Sorry the image quality is low. I snapped this from my iPhone.

Black line: Stock, but with rear muffler section removed.

Red line: Stillen G3 intakes, Stillen headers, Stillen Cats, Stillen exhaust.

Blue line: Stillen parts + Technosquare ECU reflash + dyno time.

In summary: $3,200 in Stillen parts gave a 26 hp increase over stock to bring it up to 328 compared to the original 302.

$700 for ECU reflash and dyno time ($500 for reflash only) gave an extra 15 whp for a total of 343 whp.

In total, it was nearly $5,000 including installation of the parts to gain 40 whp over stock. The throttle response in now extremely precise. The sound is wonderful, the over-rev to 8100 rpm is phenominal. The "Buzzy" engine vibrations that car magazines have been talking about are no worse above 7500 rpm. If anything, it smooths out a little.

One last thought: Lets pretend I gained 2 hp from removing the stock rear exhaust section. This car would have made 300 hp in this dyno. If the stock engine was 332 crank hp and it made 300 hp on this dyno, that's a conversion factor of 1.1066 for frictional loss (332/300). After mods, this car is making 343 hp on this dyno, which would be roughly 380 hp at the crank (343 x 1.1066). Not bad.

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Dude!!!! Your return on investment (ROI) totally sucks!! In terms of a "biggest bang for the buck" you just got got laid over the railing. I hope they at least gave you a jar of free vaseline for the rape you just got.

You just paid between 3 to 4 times over the average cost for HP per mod-dollars spent. The acceptable average cost of a mod per HP gain is $25 to $30 per HP.

To be considered a "good" ROI for car modding the general ratio for
mod-money spent per HP gained is $25 to $30 for every 1-HP gained. You paid $125 per 1-HP gained given your configuration!!
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Dude!!!! Your return on investment (ROI) totally sucks!! In terms of a "biggest bang for the buck" you just got got laid over the railing. I hope they at least gave you a jar of free vaseline for the rape you just got.

You just paid between 3 to 4 times over the average cost for HP per mod-dollars spent. The acceptable average cost of a mod per HP gain is $25 to $30 per HP.

To be considered a "good" ROI for car modding the general ratio for
mod-money spent per HP gained is $25 to $30 for every 1-HP gained. You paid $125 per 1-HP gained given your configuration!!
did you figure in that he cant go turbo......?...... some of us in more modern states have a hard time passing emisions.
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did you figure in that he cant go turbo......?...... some of us in more modern states have a hard time passing emisions.
Not to mention this is pretty much near stock reliability, something boost just cant claim. Coming from a 350 myself gains like this are pretty awesome! Even a Vortech kit for the 350 turns into near $10K when you factor in install, tune, extras and supporting mods like I/H/E and thats a headache Id rather not go through again.
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did you figure in that he cant go turbo......?...... some of us in more modern states have a hard time passing emisions.
So what's your point? $5000 paid for 47 HP is still not a practical ROI of any kind no matter what the constraints are.
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So what's your point? $5000 paid for 47 HP is still not a practical ROI of any kind no matter what the constraints are.
That's about a 20% improvement over the usual stock hp numbers, for about 15%-ish of the price of the car.
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That's about a 20% improvement over the usual stock hp numbers, for about 15%-ish of the price of the car.
No its a 15% improvement based on the 47 HP gain he reported...not 20%. Anyway you cut it he overspent for a mere gain compared to the dollars spent. The numbers don't lie, folks. No argument has any standing when the numbers are run other than he overspent and the performance shop got to walk to the bank laughing.
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