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wstar 10-19-2011 09:42 AM

Pic of Service Manual page that shows the adjustment bolts:

http://www.the370z.com/members/wstar...9-41-21-am.png

The Dimer 10-19-2011 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1366385)
Doing an NA build, then going FI makes no sense. You are going to build the motor differently.

Almost everyone seems to be running FI kits on the stock 11:1 motors right now. So while it wouldn't necessarily be the optimal setup for FI, it should still be a feasible option.

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Originally Posted by Red__Zed (Post 1366385)
I do not understand the desire to run a huge v6 either. I would not want to be dealing with a massive, unbalanced engine, but that's just me.

Would balancing the engine not be something that was done when putting it together?

Red__Zed 10-19-2011 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dimer (Post 1366463)
Almost everyone seems to be running FI kits on the stock 11:1 motors right now. So while it wouldn't necessarily be the optimal setup for FI, it should still be a feasible option.



Would balancing the engine not be something that was done when putting it together?

I mean, you can. It's just if i am dropping that much building the motor...hell, even just that time...i am gonna build it up for my end goal.


V6 motors are inherently unbalanced.

pulpmelon_Z 10-19-2011 10:25 AM

Thats pretty cool!

It seems like a case of removing the rocker cover, manually locking the arms to max lift and turning the crank over by hand to see if theres any P2V contact...

Ron 10-19-2011 10:35 AM

^^ Go try it and let us know :icon17:

pulpmelon_Z 10-19-2011 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1366549)
^^ Go try it and let us know :icon17:

You first :D

wstar 10-19-2011 10:46 AM

I would *guess* that the factory lift spec for the adjuster is so they can have reasonable mfg tolerances. e.g. some of the VVEL units mfg'd will have slightly different physical limits, but the factory spec is something that all VVEL units can be adjusted to at the factory with those bolts. You might find that some engines have more leftover room on the adjust than others (or even different on the two sides of one engine, and you really want them to match up perfectly). Still, even assuming most engines have some usable adjustment headroom on both sides and you could adjust them perfectly in sync with each other, and it doesn't cause physical contact, you're left with question marks about whether the stock ECU can deal with that safely, and/or what (possibly unknown) tuneables to tweak there to make it work right).

pulpmelon_Z 10-19-2011 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wstar (Post 1366571)
I would *guess* that the factory lift spec for the adjuster is so they can have reasonable mfg tolerances. e.g. some of the VVEL units mfg'd will have slightly different physical limits, but the factory spec is something that all VVEL units can be adjusted to at the factory with those bolts. You might find that some engines have more leftover room on the adjust than others (or even different on the two sides of one engine, and you really want them to match up perfectly). Still, even assuming most engines have some usable adjustment headroom on both sides and you could adjust them perfectly in sync with each other, and it doesn't cause physical contact, you're left with question marks about whether the stock ECU can deal with that safely, and/or what (possibly unknown) tuneables to tweak there to make it work right).


:iagree:

I think coping with the new angle and lift induced by manual adjustment would need another cam angle table in aftermarket software.

The Dimer 10-19-2011 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pulpmelon_Z (Post 1366516)
Thats pretty cool!

It seems like a case of removing the rocker cover, manually locking the arms to max lift and turning the crank over by hand to see if theres any P2V contact...

I'm all about P2V contact. :roflpuke2::roflpuke2::roflpuke2:

Jordo! 10-19-2011 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wstar (Post 1366571)
I would *guess* that the factory lift spec for the adjuster is so they can have reasonable mfg tolerances. e.g. some of the VVEL units mfg'd will have slightly different physical limits, but the factory spec is something that all VVEL units can be adjusted to at the factory with those bolts. You might find that some engines have more leftover room on the adjust than others (or even different on the two sides of one engine, and you really want them to match up perfectly). Still, even assuming most engines have some usable adjustment headroom on both sides and you could adjust them perfectly in sync with each other, and it doesn't cause physical contact, you're left with question marks about whether the stock ECU can deal with that safely, and/or what (possibly unknown) tuneables to tweak there to make it work right).

I guess the big question is how loose are things set up? If that extra potential lift that isn't being used is there to aovid problems due to potential valve float at high revs maybe it's best left alone...

It just seems really surprising to me that with better flowing intake and exhaust components that VVEL tuning wouldn't be advantageous, but data trumps theory so... :icon14:

I'd really like to know more details about what kinds of tests and adjustments were done before the conclusion "not worth it" was determined :shakes head:

pulpmelon_Z 10-20-2011 04:49 AM

I agree, providing you have piston clearance plus another table for the 'extended' cam opening in terms of fueling and ignition. I dont see how another 0.025" of lift and 5 degress of duration wouldnt make power on a bolt-on equiped Z

Looking at a bunch of I/H/E dynos generally shows everyone running out of puff around 7k RPM, unless the exhaust cam is the limiting factor thats where the additional lift should help out.

pulpmelon_Z 10-20-2011 05:34 AM

Hope this isnt a repost!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyubJV4siss&feature=related

Jordo! 02-09-2012 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pulpmelon_Z (Post 1368170)

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NYBladeZ 02-09-2012 09:50 AM

Not holding my breath for someone to crack VVEL but I hope someone does it. It looks like it will need both a hardware adjustment and separate ecu tuning.

7419sundat 08-23-2012 08:53 PM

Revive, but I'd like to know if anyone has messed with this adjusting screw for intake lift. Or would it not work at all?


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