One oil cooler is not enough

SunsetZ · 05-09-2014, 11:19 AM

Sorry, I forgot I posted in here as well as the general discussion forum. I have the 34 row Setrab, the largest offered by Z1. Thanks for the mention of Fast Intentions, they gave me the nissan part number to remove the coolant collar and I plan on just looping the coolant lines after I remove that collar part. Hopefully that will solve this. If not I will look into bigger radiator, or fans. Just using stock oil as synthetics do not run any cooler according to my research.

Big issue was holding 2nd gear near red line all the way around two very long curves at PBIR. Might have to give up some corner exit speed by using third gear with the lower revs instead.

martin82 · 05-09-2014, 11:37 AM

Actually running oem oil vs any good oil will make a big difference. I highly recommend not tracking on oem oil, I run motul

nepali · 05-09-2014, 11:52 AM

Just like the oil cooler, one thread is not enough: One oil cooler is not enough

JARblue · 05-09-2014, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by nepali

Just like the oil cooler, one thread is not enough: One oil cooler is not enough

Maybe the mods can help him out and combine the two.

ValidusVentus · 05-10-2014, 01:28 AM

I second what Martin said about the shrouding, also a shroud to effectively reduce the gap between the oil cooler and the heat exchanger behind it should help airflow. Also quality oil. Redline 5w30 is a very good oil as well as other actual full synthetics, motul, royal purple, mobile one etc. Do not run a heavier oil, that will just reduce your oil flow (and hence the cooling ability of the oil cooler) unless your engine specifically requires it for other reasons. Venting the engine bay through your hood or fenders should also help though it may be beyond the scope of your project.

PS ... dunno about the fan idea, I'm 99.9999999 % sure that during hard driving it would just reduce flow by adding an obstruction in the flow path... unless of course your fan is capale of moving air at 120+ mph, in that case your prolly good!

SunsetZ · 05-10-2014, 09:00 AM

I noticed on GT Academy that Nissan added four openings on the top of the front bumper, that doesn't look good but seeing that the manufacturer went that route says something about it being a good solution.

JWillis72 · 05-10-2014, 10:24 AM

Unless your oil cooler is mounted that high I don't see how that would help.

SunsetZ · 05-10-2014, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by JWillis72

Unless your oil cooler is mounted that high I don't see how that would help.

They are doing it for a reason. The radiator goes all the way to the top of the bumper. Lower rad temp means lower oil temps and vice versa, it's all interrelated.

Mt Tam I am · 05-10-2014, 01:56 PM

OP it sounds like you have done all the right things. I wish you luck.

I too have a 34 row oil coller in a 2009 Z, and at 99 degrees at Sears Point I hit 260*, while using a higher gear did bring temp down some. I did not hit limiter. Also no humidity to speak of.

This is an extreme heat situation, hopefully with these small fixes you will not be plauged again.

JWillis72 · 05-10-2014, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SunsetZ

They are doing it for a reason. The radiator goes all the way to the top of the bumper. Lower rad temp means lower oil temps and vice versa, it's all interrelated.

Because of how much the vented hood helped with cooling I would bet the engine bay on our cars are a high pressure zone and if thats the case I can't imagine the holes would help flow much without somewhere for the increased air flow to get out of the engine bay. With that said, if you try it please let us know how it works for you.

synolimit · 05-10-2014, 11:05 PM

Cai holes?

FLUJOKE · 05-11-2014, 10:18 PM

It's an oil stabilizer not an oil cooler. Adding an after market oil cooler while keeping the stock oil stabilizer does nothing but cancel each other out. You need to remove the stock on and your temps will drop.

SunsetZ · 05-12-2014, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by FLUJOKE

It's an oil stabilizer not an oil cooler. Adding an after market oil cooler while keeping the stock oil stabilizer does nothing but cancel each other out. You need to remove the stock on and your temps will drop.

Thanks, as I said above I have the part on order to do just that, fingers crossed.

evensen007 · 05-15-2014, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SunsetZ

I installed the largest Setrab cooler available for the Z and on the third 25 min session at PBIR it hit temps high enough to limit rpm. The 13 and 14 model year cars have a collar between the engine and oil filter that uses engine coolant to help "cool" the oil. I have a feeling this is actually heating the oil instead when a separate cooler is installed. I took it off to see if I could just put a return on it and not use that coolant thing, but there needs to be a new threaded fitting made to be able to connect the Setrab directly to the engine. Anyone know if these are available?

I turned the heater to full blast and that helped get some heat off the engine, but in Florida even with the windows down, that is not comfortable. Any ideas on how to have the heat set on max, and get that air directed outside the car instead?

I think you're right about the 13/14 collar. I tracked at Sebring last weekend (and it was HOT). I did 3 30 minutes sessions and only had to lay off towards the last 5-7 minutes of each one. I'm not running an oil cooler at all and have a 2010. I did stay around 240-250 for most of it... I'm gonna grab a 25 row soon.

newtonova822 · 05-16-2014, 07:28 PM

Do you have electric fans on the oil cooler? setrab has that

There are also series numbers for coolers for BTU specs if you bought from someone who supplies a kit that may be part of problem. lower series # But I am no expert.

Good Luck!
jb

05-09-2014, 11:19 AM	#31 (permalink)
SunsetZ Base Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Orlando Posts: 70 Drives: on the edge Rep Power: 12	Sorry, I forgot I posted in here as well as the general discussion forum. I have the 34 row Setrab, the largest offered by Z1. Thanks for the mention of Fast Intentions, they gave me the nissan part number to remove the coolant collar and I plan on just looping the coolant lines after I remove that collar part. Hopefully that will solve this. If not I will look into bigger radiator, or fans. Just using stock oil as synthetics do not run any cooler according to my research. Big issue was holding 2nd gear near red line all the way around two very long curves at PBIR. Might have to give up some corner exit speed by using third gear with the lower revs instead. __________________ 2014 370Z 6MT Sport Midnight Blue 2013 GT-R Aurora Flare Blue Pearl

05-09-2014, 11:52 AM	#33 (permalink)
nepali Track Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 597 Drives: like a maniac! Rep Power: 16	Just like the oil cooler, one thread is not enough: One oil cooler is not enough __________________ '11 SR/6MT/T/S

05-10-2014, 01:28 AM	#35 (permalink)
ValidusVentus Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Washington State Posts: 400 Drives: #18 Z34 Rep Power: 24	I second what Martin said about the shrouding, also a shroud to effectively reduce the gap between the oil cooler and the heat exchanger behind it should help airflow. Also quality oil. Redline 5w30 is a very good oil as well as other actual full synthetics, motul, royal purple, mobile one etc. Do not run a heavier oil, that will just reduce your oil flow (and hence the cooling ability of the oil cooler) unless your engine specifically requires it for other reasons. Venting the engine bay through your hood or fenders should also help though it may be beyond the scope of your project. PS ... dunno about the fan idea, I'm 99.9999999 % sure that during hard driving it would just reduce flow by adding an obstruction in the flow path... unless of course your fan is capale of moving air at 120+ mph, in that case your prolly good! __________________ Mods: Dedicated caged track car, lots of things. \|\|\| Valkyrie Autosport \|\|\|

05-10-2014, 09:00 AM	#36 (permalink)
SunsetZ Base Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Location: Orlando Posts: 70 Drives: on the edge Rep Power: 12	I noticed on GT Academy that Nissan added four openings on the top of the front bumper, that doesn't look good but seeing that the manufacturer went that route says something about it being a good solution. __________________ 2014 370Z 6MT Sport Midnight Blue 2013 GT-R Aurora Flare Blue Pearl Last edited by SunsetZ; 05-10-2014 at 09:05 AM.

05-10-2014, 01:56 PM	#39 (permalink)
Mt Tam I am A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: California Posts: 10,709 Drives: 370Z T/S/N 6MT & XKE Rep Power: 3844	OP it sounds like you have done all the right things. I wish you luck. I too have a 34 row oil coller in a 2009 Z, and at 99 degrees at Sears Point I hit 260, while using a higher gear did bring temp down some. I did not hit limiter. Also no humidity to speak of. This is an extreme heat situation, hopefully with these small fixes you will not be plauged again. __________________ "Does the carpet match the drapes? NO!!! I don't date bald women." Nissan Motorsports 34R Oil Cooler.* Stillen CBE. Hotchkis Sport Sway Bars. KW Variant 3 Coilover System. Stillen Gen3 CAI. Michelin Pilot Super Sport. Stillen Brake Ducts. Carbotech™ XP10/XP8 Pads. Z1 Front Rotors. Z1 Stainless Brake Lines. Two degrees of camber

05-09-2014, 11:37 AM	#32 (permalink)
martin82 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: los angeles Posts: 2,636 Drives: 12 Nissan 370Z MB M6 Rep Power: 20	Actually running oem oil vs any good oil will make a big difference. I highly recommend not tracking on oem oil, I run motul

05-10-2014, 10:24 AM	#37 (permalink)
JWillis72 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Fort Myers FL Posts: 2,002 Drives: 2009 370Z yellow 7AT Rep Power: 45	Unless your oil cooler is mounted that high I don't see how that would help.

05-10-2014, 11:05 PM	#41 (permalink)
synolimit A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2013 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 5,051 Drives: 2013 Silver 370z Rep Power: 3390	Cai holes? abm89 likes this. __________________ 13 370z-

05-11-2014, 10:18 PM	#42 (permalink)
FLUJOKE Track Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: earth Posts: 770 Drives: car Rep Power: 2068	It's an oil stabilizer not an oil cooler. Adding an after market oil cooler while keeping the stock oil stabilizer does nothing but cancel each other out. You need to remove the stock on and your temps will drop.

05-16-2014, 07:28 PM	#45 (permalink)
newtonova822 Base Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: No Va Posts: 70 Drives: 2014-370Z-White_Manu Rep Power: 12	Setrab has a dual fan model Do you have electric fans on the oil cooler? setrab has that There are also series numbers for coolers for BTU specs if you bought from someone who supplies a kit that may be part of problem. lower series # But I am no expert. Good Luck! jb

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