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Originally Posted by Dwnshift We don't run MAF. Bosch Motorsport ECU Or that haha

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Old 05-04-2014, 04:43 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Akrbonos are not a racing brakes. They're just a big brake. The materials used is night and day over a real caliper. The rubber seals even melt and I bet beyond a 20min track session they'd completely fail. This goes for the STI, Cherokee SRT, Regal GS etc that all have Brembos. Check out a real BBK parts list to see what I mean.
I didn't know that but now I do, thanks. Sucks that the ST class has to run stock brakes, good thing GS dosent.
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I didn't know that but now I do, thanks. Sucks that the ST class has to run stock brakes, good thing GS dosent.
for autox? im sure stock brakes are more than ok for X! but tracks were you are reaching 150mph and having to stomp on them over and over is another thing.
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for autox? im sure stock brakes are more than ok for X! but tracks were you are reaching 150mph and having to stomp on them over and over is another thing.
I meant ST as in the racing class in the CSC series. The ST guys have to run stock brakes and stock pads. I was watching the race and they were talking about how have to be really light on brakes because by the end of the race they are down to the backing plates.
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Wow that's scary! OEM pads?! They want someone to die?
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We don't run MAF. Bosch Motorsport ECU
Edu-bacate me. Why would a post market ECU not need a MAF? I thought part of the point of having an ECU was MAF data? Is it something specific with that ECU or your intake?
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Edu-bacate me. Why would a post market ECU not need a MAF? I thought part of the point of having an ECU was MAF data? Is it something specific with that ECU or your intake?
I would say the car is speed density tuned instead using the map sensor. This is just a guess however.
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ST class cars have to ur the OEM calipers for their car. Pads are open as log as they fit the oem caliper and approved rotor.
In GS we are allowed a slight front rotor diameter increase over stock rotors.
We are also allowed a 4 piston 2 piece caliper on te front and need to run a factory or approved rear caliper and brake pads are open. GS class cars are also allowed an approved racing ABS system.
Part of the uproar in GS this year is the addition. Of the Z28. It is not really suppose to be in GS as its way too much car for the class...hence the magazines compare it to the GTR and Porsche GT3.
We are not a GTR
The Z28 showed up at Daytona with 6 pistonAP racing front calipers and 4 piston AP racing rears... 6 piston calipers are not legal for GS... But somehow they got approved on a car that has a 7 ltr v8 also.
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Edu-bacate me. Why would a post market ECU not need a MAF? I thought part of the point of having an ECU was MAF data? Is it something specific with that ECU or your intake?
Look up what I said about speed density. Lots of subis run it. You'll have reading material for hours. But I believe its a MAP thing that works great but you need to retune if you drive out of state as different evaluations and stuff need tuned for right then and there since it can't change on the fly like MAF can.
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Akrbonos are not a racing brakes. They're just a big brake. The materials used is night and day over a real caliper. The rubber seals even melt and I bet beyond a 20min track session they'd completely fail.
This isn't true. While they certainly are not on par with true racing BBK setups, I can attest that they do not melt and/or fail after one 20 minute track session. In fact, I know a couple guys that have hundreds, as in hundreds, of track hours on the stock Akebono's.
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This isn't true. While they certainly are not on par with true racing BBK setups, I can attest that they do not melt and/or fail after one 20 minute track session. In fact, I know a couple guys that have hundreds, as in hundreds, of track hours on the stock Akebono's.
Whats this guy saying then?

I never said after 1 session they melt! I said the rubber seals melt, period. Then the sentence continued on saying I BET after a 20 min session they'd fail. Maybe its 20, maybe its 30. I wouldn't take the bet for a longer time.

Sure you can get tons and tons of use, but not all at once, you have cool down periods. I wouldn't race on these. These are track day small session brakes and as seen below, play at your own risk. I'm sure the guys you know kept it to 20 maybe 30 min sessions and not 1-2hrs like downshift. That's all I'm saying.

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thats nothing. check mine out. all 4 on each front piston are now melted. heres a pic when it was just two per brake

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Look up what I said about speed density. Lots of subis run it. You'll have reading material for hours. But I believe its a MAP thing that works great but you need to retune if you drive out of state as different evaluations and stuff need tuned for right then and there since it can't change on the fly like MAF can.
Cool had not heard of that before.

And in regards to brakes, yes there is just as big of variance in brake pads, rotors, calipers in any setup for different types of races.

To over exemplify, the best brakes for a 24 hour endure race are not the same "best" brakes you would use for a 20 lap race or 15 minute time attack or auto X session. Different things are good at different things essentially.

With that in mind, the Akebono sport brakes are really a pretty decent setup from my experience, comments, and feedback from others. Did a road trip a month or two ago with an engineer from Brembo and picked his brain. He knew more about brakes than any human I have ever met. His description of our brakes was "Not bad". This was after he threw a lot of other brakes under the bus, so I took it as a compliment.
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