Sway Bars, Track and AutoX?

Eagle

I don't think isolated testing like torsion tests are going to be as valuable as telemetry and lap times. Simplest question to ask yourself is...did it make me go faster? Can't really do that safely and consistently anywhere else other than at the track.

When you test it on the track you test the entire solution, driver, car and the part that has been changed.

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GSS138

Syno, there is a place called Mid Ohio, go. It will answer all your questions.

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synolimit

Will do, raced there many times. But please lay off the lease and track experience comments with this car!

Who the **** here had a Z gutted, track prepping, custom brake duct lines, cut a OEM hood up, LTH, custom CBE, custom diff cooler etc etc, all within the first 5 months of ownership??! I bet almost 100% of you didn't! Rome wasn't built in a ******* day and my track car won't be either so relax.

And yeah it's leased. $400 a month now and after I buy it unless they drop my residual since the 14 residuals will be a couple grand cheaper around the same turn in time. Better than $657 a month limiting me on buying parts monthly. Yeah in the end of payments ill end up spending about 2k more but 2k over all that time is nothing when I'm saving $257 a month in the now.

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Apollo8642

Sorry, but this thread is all about track experience. Hence the title of this thread. I want to know what bars people are running on the tracks, autoX, and what's working in the real world. I'm not really interested in someone's idea of what to run, or what they run in the mountains or the street.

You don't have to have a full custom gutted car to get on the track or race. My Nismo has a ton of track days on her, and all done in stock trim (plus big oil cooler) in her first 7500 miles of her life. So man up, head to the track, and get an education out there. You'll find people will start to give you less cr@p when your out there actually doing something more then playing forum racer.

For my reason behind my question why do I think I need sway bars. I'm looking for the car to stay flatter in the corners, and to push less in the front. For the time being I'm running V710's 275/40 in the front and 295/40 in the rear.
I've been eyeing bars for a long while now, but wanted to wait till my race season was over and start fresh when a new setup next year in a new class. I ran street tires (Nitto Invo's 265/30 and 305/30) in a race tire class till the last couple races when I got my hands on the V710's to finish out the season. I came in 4th over all, and missed 3rd place by one point in championship, under a Sti, and two corvettes.
It seems like every bar that is out there is different, and everyone seems to be running something a little different. With help from a few of you on here, and your inputs, it gives me a good base where to start. I might need to buy a couple sets of bars, but the truth of what works for me will be found out on the skid pad.

Here is a fun stock trim track pic of my Nismo.

This is of course a picture of a picture. I don't have any digital copies of the original, and I wasn't driving the car in this pic.

synolimit

Never told you to get a WL and I told you what others have done in autox. I simply stated I don't think I felt a damn thing from just the WL install, read my first post. My next posts were only questioning what someone said and what I thought about 1 other bar out there and we made our peace.

And thanks, didn't know what I needed to do for a track day. Unlike you though I have enough intelligence before I get on the track to read other peoples issues with this particular car and correct them before hand. Hence the suspension upgrades, tires, oil cooler, diff cooler, racing seat, roll cage, brake duct cooling lines etc etc. I have plenty of track time, probably more than you. I'm not getting on a track where I know my skill will out do the car. I'm not driving with over heated brakes, cooking my diff or engine oil, not rolling the car if pushed to hard and getting flopped around in the car in a OEM seat and seatbelt. So before you tell me how to get on a track and man up realize I've probably raced longer and more than you. And since I can see you made some bad choices by only installing a oil cooler and running horrible tire sizes twice! Trust me, I won't be taking your advice about track days.

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Apollo8642

This guy really make his own life difficult doesn't he.

You get on here arguing semantics with people that clearly know more about this topic. I specially think this is really funny sense you write on your first post "I haven't been on a track yet but "canyon" running (in ohio we have crazy hills) the car felt ok with 255/285 tires, stock alignment (which in the rules of alignment are horrible) and a Whiteline front bar set to full stiff." then claim to have a track experience, on top of that then try to bash me for my setup. So you're either a pathetic liar, cause you seem to be contradicting yourself a lot, or your just another internet forum idiot, that spends more time on the forums then driving his uumm.. leased car, or both.

You also said "I have plenty of track time, probably more than you." "I'm not getting on a track where I know my skill will out do the car." "I've probably raced longer and more than you" It's funny you say that cause you have no idea who I am, or my history in motorsport, and for you to make that assumption really shows that anthing you say has no real validity here. The more you talk the less people respect you, and what you have to say about any matter on this forum. Furthermore I would think someone that is as talented as a driver as you want people to think you are, could grasp the idea of what makes a good driver. That skill is not based on the performance level of the vehicle, but on the drivers skill level to be able to control that vehicle, and make it perform to the best of it's abilities. This is one of the most obnoxious thing I've heard you said so far "I'm not getting on a track where I know my skill will out do the car." This shows everyone how much full of sh1t you really are.

So some history on my Nismo. The first owner bought the car in 2009, he had an oil cooler put on it, and started racing from day one. The first time I drove the car was on a track. The only things that have happen to this car when it was in it's stock form and racing, was fuel starvation issues (still is an issue), I have boiled the clutch fuild once, and I have of course over heated brakes but who hasn't, but luckily never any glazing, or anything serious no real issue there. I've never had any of the other problems you listed. Never cooked my diff or engine oil, never rolled the car, and the Nismo seats are good enough for HPDE's or club track days, and if the car was in full race trim it would be a whole nother matter.

Unlike you, I race my car. I don't read every little issue someone has, or trying to figure out the best setup of what my car needs. I'm out there figuring things out on my own for the most part, and I do all the work on my car. I could have easliy dropped $1000 on bars, and more renting out a skid pad for testing for a day. Thankfully on this forum I'm lucky to find like minded individuals that have real experience, that are willing to help out, and share their knowledge, and that saves me time, and money in this area.
You're getting into an argument about book intelligence over hands on experience with your comment "I have enough intelligence before I get on the track to read other peoples issues with this particular car and correct them before hand." I think it's more intelligent, and better in the long run to be able to run a car, figure out what it's lacking, and what changes it needs, then read it some place. I'll listen to any person's word that has the proven experience, then someone that read it in a book or website. Top with, I'm experiecing it all myself, and I have something to base what someone is saying, instead of taking it for face value, and maybe not understand what's going on fully.

Good day to you sir I said good day

synolimit

True, I agree. But if a part was truly better/bigger/stronger/stiffer than a driver should be able to get into a car without knowing what was changed and go faster. If not then what was the point of spending the money? If these cars love big front bars then a torsion test would be valuable data for people to plainly see "I need that one."

Seems everyone likes the hotchkins here while a thread in 12 everyone was hating on it. Stating WL and stillen did testing while Hotchkins just slapped it on a car and flicked the wheel back and forth to show youtubers its stiffer. Chrisslicks even stated its poor R&D and a lot of tuning had to go into his settings to make up for it. To each their own.

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