2012 World Challenge and the 370Z

Dwnshift · 07-29-2012, 01:46 PM

We will not be.
We have decided to pass on running Mid Ohio and concentrate on continuing to develop the the 370Z RC ... And work towards Laguna Seca.
There was a chance that I was going to be in a Boss 302 for Mid Ohio GTS race... But that looks like it is t happening.
From what we have learned... the Boss 302 Mustang makes almost 45 more hp in World Challenge trim ... Than it does in Conti tire trim.
There should be 3 other Z's running up there though.
Best of luck to all the Z teams running.

gomer_110 · 07-29-2012, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwnshift

We will not be.
We have decided to pass on running Mid Ohio and concentrate on continuing to develop the the 370Z RC ... And work towards Laguna Seca.
There was a chance that I was going to be in a Boss 302 for Mid Ohio GTS race... But that looks like it is t happening.
From what we have learned... the Boss 302 Mustang makes almost 45 more hp in World Challenge trim ... Than it does in Conti tire trim.
There should be 3 other Z's running up there though.
Best of luck to all the Z teams running.

A little sad to hear this. I was hoping your car would have atleast been there on display so I could get a look at it.

Shamu · 07-29-2012, 07:05 PM

Bring plenty of HP to Laguna. It's a power course. Can't see 370z doing well against V8s there. Laguna isn't hard on tires either. Brakes on other hand take some punishment.

Dwnshift · 07-29-2012, 08:37 PM

Actually it's a braking an handling track.
Torque does help for sure getting out of the final corner and up the hill...
But I you have a chassis underneath you and consistency with the setup and tire life there ... It's a huge advantage.... Espc if we race there and it's hot.
I can see us dipping ino the 35's there.
But we shall see.

Shamu · 07-30-2012, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dwnshift

Actually it's a braking an handling track.
Torque does help for sure getting out of the final corner and up the hill...
But I you have a chassis underneath you and consistency with the setup and tire life there ... It's a huge advantage.... Espc if we race there and it's hot.
I can see us dipping ino the 35's there.
But we shall see.

I disagree. I have been going there since 1970's. Driving it since early 2000. Plenty of experience in lower powered cars there and while yes there are some sections you can put some hurt on bigger cars its outweighed by huge long uphill straights that put real emphasis on HP.

Only place you have a chance is from turn 7 down the hill to 11 after that its 3 drag races two of them uphill! There is a reason why high horsepower cars do well there. Maybe ....just maybe if other guys are hard on brakes might gain some advantage going into 2 and 11. But drag race from turn 11 to turn 2 at 40 MPH to over 125 mph isnt a handling course in my mind. I have passed HP cars going into 11 just to have them pass me again up the hill to 1.

Hot in Monterey? Dont count on it! Heck you might get cold fog and 50 degree weather.

Coon-azz · 07-30-2012, 01:57 PM

Just found this post. Congrats on the racing. Loved the video's. Though I can't make the events this year, I'll be watching from the field with my 5 year daughter who is Cheering you on! She loves the car and thinks its cool.
Thanks to everyone supporting the Z. We will continue to cheer you on!
via-
A new Fan

Cmike2780 · 07-30-2012, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shamu

I disagree. I have been going there since 1970's. Driving it since early 2000. Plenty of experience in lower powered cars there and while yes there are some sections you can put some hurt on bigger cars its outweighed by huge long uphill straights that put real emphasis on HP.

Only place you have a chance is from turn 7 down the hill to 11 after that its 3 drag races two of them uphill! There is a reason why high horsepower cars do well there. Maybe ....just maybe if other guys are hard on brakes might gain some advantage going into 2 and 11. But drag race from turn 11 to turn 2 at 40 MPH to over 125 mph isnt a handling course in my mind. I have passed HP cars going into 11 just to have them pass me again up the hill to 1.

Hot in Monterey? Dont count on it! Heck you might get cold fog and 50 degree weather.

You forgot turn 8

. I've driven it in Gran Turismo a thousand time and I think it's a bit of both

. It does lean a bit more towards power though.

dastaco · 07-30-2012, 02:27 PM

I hope you're taking notes BJ.... :what:

Dwnshift · 07-30-2012, 07:56 PM

Again... We shall see and hopefully we get that chance.
In my experience at pro races... Emphasis is on handling, braking and tire wear.
Cars with torque have a huge advantage coming onto the front straight.
If you can properly dial in a chassis turns what I call 3-4 can make the run down to 5 very long. Turn 5 is commonly over slowed and if you again can dial the chassis in can carry your speed in ... Which extends the straight.
Next what I call 6 again that is handling ... Again extending the striaght up the hill.
Corkscrew and the entire run down to the front straight... All handling.
The key there is making straights longer than they are ... Or making something out of nothing.
Been there done that...
And our advantage happens on long runs....
If its sunny there... And there is green the higher hp cars will burn up their tires.

The Dimer · 08-06-2012, 09:05 AM

Got to see Brian and Ric race on Saturday at Mid-Ohio. It was awesome to see a couple Z's on the track. Looks like you guys had a better day on Sunday, wish I could have been there for that race too.

Here's a link to the results from the races.

Saturday:
SCCA Pro Racing World Challenge

Sunday
SCCA Pro Racing World Challenge

gomer_110 · 08-06-2012, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Dimer

Got to see Brian and Ric race on Saturday at Mid-Ohio. It was awesome to see a couple Z's on the track. Looks like you guys had a better day on Sunday, wish I could have been there for that race too.

Here's a link to the results from the races.

Saturday:
SCCA Pro Racing World Challenge

Sunday
SCCA Pro Racing World Challenge

The rain on Sunday definitely made a huge difference. IMHO it's kind of sad that the Z isn't more competitive than it is and by no means is that a shot at the two teams that were there. Unfortunately the Z is just out powered by the competition.

DR_ · 08-06-2012, 10:19 AM

SCCA just doesn't do as good of job as Grand Am with the competive adjustments and I think that has a lot to do with the decline of World Challenge and the rise of Grand Am.

sig11 · 08-06-2012, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DR_

SCCA just doesn't do as good of job as Grand Am with the competive adjustments and I think that has a lot to do with the decline of World Challenge and the rise of Grand Am.

I'm not sure why that is... Brian said at ZdayZ that WC basically told them "whatever you need to get competitive." But then again it sounds like some things are off the table.

gomer_110 · 08-06-2012, 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sig11

I'm not sure why that is... Brian said at ZdayZ that WC basically told them "whatever you need to get competitive." But then again it sounds like some things are off the table.

fwiw according to Dustin both 370z's were running the Grand-Am spec motor.

Dustin@Z1 · 08-07-2012, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by gomer_110

fwiw according to Dustin both 370z's were running the Grand-Am spec motor.

Sorry for the confusion on this. The motors are similar since they are the 350Z HR/370Z Hyrbid engine. There are still some variations due to class restrictions between the WC and Conti- cars.

07-29-2012, 07:05 PM	#3 (permalink)
Shamu A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Nor Cal Posts: 1,059 Drives: 370Z Racecar Rep Power: 20	Bring plenty of HP to Laguna. It's a power course. Can't see 370z doing well against V8s there. Laguna isn't hard on tires either. Brakes on other hand take some punishment. __________________ Grant

07-30-2012, 01:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
Coon-azz Track Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Fredericksburg,VA Posts: 689 Drives: '12 370z Sport DD Rep Power: 15	Just found this post. Congrats on the racing. Loved the video's. Though I can't make the events this year, I'll be watching from the field with my 5 year daughter who is Cheering you on! She loves the car and thinks its cool. Thanks to everyone supporting the Z. We will continue to cheer you on! via- A new Fan __________________ I don't care how slow you want to drive; I encourage it. JUST GET THE HELL OUT OF THE PASSING LANE YOU TUCK FARD!!!

07-30-2012, 02:27 PM	#8 (permalink)
dastaco Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 348 Drives: Questionably Rep Power: 15	I hope you're taking notes BJ.... :what: __________________

07-30-2012, 07:56 PM	#9 (permalink)
Dwnshift Track Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Cincy Posts: 717 Drives: NISMO 370Z RC Rep Power: 15	Again... We shall see and hopefully we get that chance. In my experience at pro races... Emphasis is on handling, braking and tire wear. Cars with torque have a huge advantage coming onto the front straight. If you can properly dial in a chassis turns what I call 3-4 can make the run down to 5 very long. Turn 5 is commonly over slowed and if you again can dial the chassis in can carry your speed in ... Which extends the straight. Next what I call 6 again that is handling ... Again extending the striaght up the hill. Corkscrew and the entire run down to the front straight... All handling. The key there is making straights longer than they are ... Or making something out of nothing. Been there done that... And our advantage happens on long runs.... If its sunny there... And there is green the higher hp cars will burn up their tires. Last edited by Dwnshift; 07-30-2012 at 08:00 PM.

08-06-2012, 09:05 AM	#10 (permalink)
The Dimer Track Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Bolingbrook, IL Posts: 632 Drives: 2010 PW 370z Rep Power: 16	Got to see Brian and Ric race on Saturday at Mid-Ohio. It was awesome to see a couple Z's on the track. Looks like you guys had a better day on Sunday, wish I could have been there for that race too. Here's a link to the results from the races. Saturday: SCCA Pro Racing World Challenge Sunday SCCA Pro Racing World Challenge __________________ K&N Drop-Ins, Z1 Post-MAF Tubes, FI 18" CF TDX, TWM Short Throw Shifter w/ A6 Leopard Knob, 'esfourteen' clutch helper spring, 'kellyefields' hood struts.

07-29-2012, 01:46 PM	#1 (permalink)
Dwnshift Track Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Cincy Posts: 717 Drives: NISMO 370Z RC Rep Power: 15	We will not be. We have decided to pass on running Mid Ohio and concentrate on continuing to develop the the 370Z RC ... And work towards Laguna Seca. There was a chance that I was going to be in a Boss 302 for Mid Ohio GTS race... But that looks like it is t happening. From what we have learned... the Boss 302 Mustang makes almost 45 more hp in World Challenge trim ... Than it does in Conti tire trim. There should be 3 other Z's running up there though. Best of luck to all the Z teams running.

07-29-2012, 08:37 PM	#4 (permalink)
Dwnshift Track Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Cincy Posts: 717 Drives: NISMO 370Z RC Rep Power: 15	Actually it's a braking an handling track. Torque does help for sure getting out of the final corner and up the hill... But I you have a chassis underneath you and consistency with the setup and tire life there ... It's a huge advantage.... Espc if we race there and it's hot. I can see us dipping ino the 35's there. But we shall see.

08-06-2012, 10:19 AM	#12 (permalink)
DR_ Track Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Dallas Posts: 981 Drives: Touring/Sport M6 PG Rep Power: 18	SCCA just doesn't do as good of job as Grand Am with the competive adjustments and I think that has a lot to do with the decline of World Challenge and the rise of Grand Am.

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