Noob to the Track world.. Need help with setting up car

cotizi · 06-24-2011, 08:59 PM

I love my NT05's. I think for the money they are a good choice

cossie1600 · 06-24-2011, 09:05 PM

They come in 19s now?

wh1te370z · 06-24-2011, 09:16 PM

I was looking into getting the NT05's. My cuz has a set of Hoosier R6's for the rear of my car that he said I could have. Now how bad would it be to run two different tires front to rear on the car.

Options are
1. get a set of nt05's
2. Run r6's in the rear and nt05 in the front
3. Get the Hoosier for the front and pray it doesn't rain lol

I think my best bet is to run nt05's

ChrisSlicks · 06-24-2011, 09:27 PM

NT05's front and R6 rear would be pretty horrible. You need to match compounds front and rear if you want any control over the car.

wh1te370z · 06-24-2011, 09:30 PM

That's what I was thinking. I'm just worried about having Hoosiers and it raining. It'll cost me 200 more to buy 4 nt05 tires then two hoosier r6's for the front. But w the nt05 I Could still drive on the road

cossie1600 · 06-25-2011, 02:05 PM

oops sorry wrong thread. they are pretty good rain tires, not great. its better than stock for sure

wh1te370z · 06-28-2011, 10:23 AM

What do you guys suggest for oil, brake fluid, brakes (i know a lot of you run the X10's), basically im looking for the bare bones to get on the track and have a good time.

ChrisSlicks · 06-28-2011, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wh1te370z

What do you guys suggest for oil, brake fluid, brakes (i know a lot of you run the X10's), basically im looking for the bare bones to get on the track and have a good time.

Fresh premium synthetic oil: Redline, Edge, Pensoil Plat are all fine.
Brake fluid: any high temp fluid, Motul, AP etc.
Brakes: XP8, Hawk DTC 60

wh1te370z · 06-28-2011, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cossie1600

on a stock car, a good synthetic oil like pennzoil is fine, thats like 55 bux with labo. i use amsoil dot 4 for brake fluid, bleed them before the track day, thats like 25 bux if u do it yoursel, but there are many others in the same price range. i recommend xp8s on a stock car with stock tires as 10s are way too aggressive (i have both in my garage right now). you should be okay other than that, oh yeah you probably need an oil cooler. you might want to learn how to change brakes yourself if you dont know how.

Ill be doing everything myself. I used to be a mechanic and went to school for it (Not enough money in that business). I plan on swapping my tires out for the NT05's. Should i still go with KP8's? Ive found an oil cooler just waiting to figure out what else im getting so i can try and order from one place and save on shipping rather than order eveything seperatly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

Fresh premium synthetic oil: Redline, Edge, Pensoil Plat are all fine.
Brake fluid: any high temp fluid, Motul, AP etc.
Brakes: XP8, Hawk DTC 60

Thank you sir

cossie1600 · 06-28-2011, 10:34 AM

on a stock car, a good synthetic oil like pennzoil is fine, thats like 55 bux with labo. i use amsoil dot 4 for brake fluid, bleed them before the track day, thats like 25 bux if u do it yoursel, but there are many others in the same price range. i recommend xp8s on a stock car with stock tires as 10s are way too aggressive (i have both in my garage right now). you should be okay other than that, oh yeah you probably need an oil cooler. you might want to learn how to change brakes yourself if you dont know how.

cossie1600 · 06-28-2011, 01:28 PM

nt05 is a non r comp, you will be fine.

wh1te370z · 08-08-2011, 01:49 PM

Went to poconos and the glen and had way more fun in my car then i ever had. Back to business. i plan on running the car stock for the rest of this season but next season i plan on doing a bunch of suspension work to the car. heres some more questions for you guys

Tire Pressure
I ran 32psi front and 30psi rear. my car seemed like it wanted to understeer a tad. could be from the car being stock or going in to hot into turns. should i adjust them down a hair?

Coilovers.
Plan on getting KW Variant 3 coil overs. From what i read your best bet is to have the compression and rebound setting seperate for the best adjustablity. comments?

Sway bars.
Not a lot of research done here but i noticed the stillen ones are adjustable. Any other suggestions?

Alignment.
I remember seeing specks on what to run but havnt been able to find them lately anyone have a link or know them of hand? plan on getting adjustable control arms and what not.

ChrisSlicks · 08-08-2011, 02:27 PM

Pressure:
Tire pressure requirements depend on the tire and the car setup. You're best bet it to either ask what other people run for that tire (on a similar car) or use a pyrometer to take temperature measurements inside/middle/outside. Generally speaking slicks like slightly lower pressures than street tires. You can tweak tire pressures to balance understeer/oversteer. For understeer decrease front pressure or increase rear pressure, take note of resulting tire temps and wear patterns. Reverse for oversteer.

Coilovers:
2-way adjustable is nice for fine tuning a setup but is probably overkill for a novice.

Sway bars:
Stillen, Hotchkis, Whiteline, all adjustable. The Stillen is a little more compliant, the Hotchkis is the stiffest.

Alignment:
This is what I run, your mileage may vary.

Front
Camber -3.5
Toe -0.02

Rear
Camber -2.0 (would like -1.8 but don't have the longer arms)
Toe -0.10

wh1te370z · 08-08-2011, 02:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisSlicks

Pressure:
Tire pressure requirements depend on the tire and the car setup. You're best bet it to either ask what other people run for that tire (on a similar car) or use a pyrometer to take temperature measurements inside/middle/outside. Generally speaking slicks like slightly lower pressures than street tires. You can tweak tire pressures to balance understeer/oversteer. For understeer decrease front pressure or increase rear pressure, take note of resulting tire temps and wear patterns. Reverse for oversteer.

Coilovers:
2-way adjustable is nice for fine tuning a setup but is probably overkill for a novice.

Sway bars:
Stillen, Hotchkis, Whiteline, all adjustable. The Stillen is a little more compliant, the Hotchkis is the stiffest.

Alignment:
This is what I run, your mileage may vary.

Front
Camber -3.5
Toe -0.02

Rear
Camber -2.0 (would like -1.8 but don't have the longer arms)
Toe -0.10

the coils are over kill but id rather have to much than too little with them. thanks for the alignment specs. as for looking at the tire temps what am i looking for?

Cossie those where cold temps not hot. i fogot to check them hot. they were around 40 2-3 hours after a race. i would think theyd have to go down a hair. but im new this.

ChrisSlicks · 08-08-2011, 03:40 PM

Low 30's is what I run hot for pressures on the V710 slicks, but that is with coilovers. On a stock setup you might need more pressure to prevent rolling the tires over.

For measuring temperatures you are primarily checking for evenness inside to outside. It is okay to have the inside hotter than the outside or the outside hotter than the inside as this will happen when camber challenged. The goal however is to have the middle of the tire temperature fall equally within the two. Alter tire pressure to get the middle temperature in the ideal range.

For most of these DOT slicks the ideal operating temperature is 180-200F. Go too high and they will start to feel greasy.

06-24-2011, 08:59 PM	#1 (permalink)
cotizi Enthusiast Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Austin, Tx Posts: 391 Drives: 2012 VW GTI 6MT Rep Power: 218	I love my NT05's. I think for the money they are a good choice __________________ Past - 2009 Silver 6MT Sport 370Z Current - 2012 VW GTI 6-Speed

06-24-2011, 09:16 PM	#3 (permalink)
wh1te370z Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: New York, Long Island Posts: 559 Drives: PW Base Sport 6 Spd Rep Power: 17	I was looking into getting the NT05's. My cuz has a set of Hoosier R6's for the rear of my car that he said I could have. Now how bad would it be to run two different tires front to rear on the car. Options are 1. get a set of nt05's 2. Run r6's in the rear and nt05 in the front 3. Get the Hoosier for the front and pray it doesn't rain lol I think my best bet is to run nt05's __________________ 1998 BMW 328is... Track Build 2010 White 370z.... sold

06-24-2011, 09:27 PM	#4 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 654	NT05's front and R6 rear would be pretty horrible. You need to match compounds front and rear if you want any control over the car. __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

06-24-2011, 09:30 PM	#5 (permalink)
wh1te370z Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: New York, Long Island Posts: 559 Drives: PW Base Sport 6 Spd Rep Power: 17	That's what I was thinking. I'm just worried about having Hoosiers and it raining. It'll cost me 200 more to buy 4 nt05 tires then two hoosier r6's for the front. But w the nt05 I Could still drive on the road __________________ 1998 BMW 328is... Track Build 2010 White 370z.... sold

06-28-2011, 10:23 AM	#7 (permalink)
wh1te370z Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: New York, Long Island Posts: 559 Drives: PW Base Sport 6 Spd Rep Power: 17	What do you guys suggest for oil, brake fluid, brakes (i know a lot of you run the X10's), basically im looking for the bare bones to get on the track and have a good time. __________________ 1998 BMW 328is... Track Build 2010 White 370z.... sold

06-24-2011, 09:05 PM	#2 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 31	They come in 19s now?

06-25-2011, 02:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 31	oops sorry wrong thread. they are pretty good rain tires, not great. its better than stock for sure

06-28-2011, 10:34 AM	#10 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 31	on a stock car, a good synthetic oil like pennzoil is fine, thats like 55 bux with labo. i use amsoil dot 4 for brake fluid, bleed them before the track day, thats like 25 bux if u do it yoursel, but there are many others in the same price range. i recommend xp8s on a stock car with stock tires as 10s are way too aggressive (i have both in my garage right now). you should be okay other than that, oh yeah you probably need an oil cooler. you might want to learn how to change brakes yourself if you dont know how.

06-28-2011, 01:28 PM	#11 (permalink)
cossie1600 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: californee way Posts: 5,380 Drives: 370, Leaf Rep Power: 31	nt05 is a non r comp, you will be fine.

08-08-2011, 01:49 PM	#12 (permalink)
wh1te370z Track Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: New York, Long Island Posts: 559 Drives: PW Base Sport 6 Spd Rep Power: 17	Went to poconos and the glen and had way more fun in my car then i ever had. Back to business. i plan on running the car stock for the rest of this season but next season i plan on doing a bunch of suspension work to the car. heres some more questions for you guys Tire Pressure I ran 32psi front and 30psi rear. my car seemed like it wanted to understeer a tad. could be from the car being stock or going in to hot into turns. should i adjust them down a hair? Coilovers. Plan on getting KW Variant 3 coil overs. From what i read your best bet is to have the compression and rebound setting seperate for the best adjustablity. comments? Sway bars. Not a lot of research done here but i noticed the stillen ones are adjustable. Any other suggestions? Alignment. I remember seeing specks on what to run but havnt been able to find them lately anyone have a link or know them of hand? plan on getting adjustable control arms and what not. __________________ 1998 BMW 328is... Track Build 2010 White 370z.... sold

08-08-2011, 02:27 PM	#13 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 654	Pressure: Tire pressure requirements depend on the tire and the car setup. You're best bet it to either ask what other people run for that tire (on a similar car) or use a pyrometer to take temperature measurements inside/middle/outside. Generally speaking slicks like slightly lower pressures than street tires. You can tweak tire pressures to balance understeer/oversteer. For understeer decrease front pressure or increase rear pressure, take note of resulting tire temps and wear patterns. Reverse for oversteer. Coilovers: 2-way adjustable is nice for fine tuning a setup but is probably overkill for a novice. Sway bars: Stillen, Hotchkis, Whiteline, all adjustable. The Stillen is a little more compliant, the Hotchkis is the stiffest. Alignment: This is what I run, your mileage may vary. Front Camber -3.5 Toe -0.02 Rear Camber -2.0 (would like -1.8 but don't have the longer arms) Toe -0.10 __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

08-08-2011, 03:40 PM	#15 (permalink)
ChrisSlicks A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North East Posts: 6,203 Drives: 09 370Z Sport M6 Rep Power: 654	Low 30's is what I run hot for pressures on the V710 slicks, but that is with coilovers. On a stock setup you might need more pressure to prevent rolling the tires over. For measuring temperatures you are primarily checking for evenness inside to outside. It is okay to have the inside hotter than the outside or the outside hotter than the inside as this will happen when camber challenged. The goal however is to have the middle of the tire temperature fall equally within the two. Alter tire pressure to get the middle temperature in the ideal range. For most of these DOT slicks the ideal operating temperature is 180-200F. Go too high and they will start to feel greasy. __________________ Hotchkis ARB \| Stillen CAI \| Art Pipes \| Berk CBE \| Stillen AP Racing Brakes \| AE Performance Oil Cooler \| BC Racing ER Coilovers \| Doran Control Arms

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