If Nissan and BMW wanted to make a nimble and good handling car, they'd have stopped at the 240 and Z3, respectively. Clearly, they also wanted to give us sports cars with power on tap. We aren't driving Miatas that are only capable of rounding a track gracefully and forcing us to largely talk about their handling abilities. We have cars that perform double duty for us: they go fast and turn well.

And that gives me two things to talk about: straight line power and handling prowess. If power doesn't concern you, sell all of those mods in your signature.

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Great reply. You've made a fine argument.

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My rebuttal was equal to the level in which I was replying to.

The M3 with DCT seems close to a second faster in the quarter according to C&D. While I agree with Top Gear's assessment (you'll lose a drag figuring out how to set it up) it definitely has plenty of power.

Right. Because I'm the one who decided to throw down the ricer implication card. Not you.

Your logic is pretty lousy.

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where i live, bmw 3 series are far too common. that's the problem i have with them. i think most of the cars here are 3 series bmw :eek:

Its a hugely popular car out here, too. One of my Pizza delivery guys drives a white 335i coupe.

You should tip him less ;)

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335 is nice, but the lack of LSD kills it, not to mention it overheats even more than our Z's. They can't fit big rubber and they are heavy. Parts for them are expensive too. They do sound nice though and they are well balanced like all BMW's. Whoever said they are boring has never driven one...even my sisters old 325i was fun to drive.

i used to own a bmw and the salesman who had sold it to me used to be a rolls royce salesman. every time he talked to me about the bmw, he would refer to it as 'a machine'
for example, 'how is your machine doing?' :D

thats funny... bmw workers/owners tend to put there cars on a pedistool and that's why there is a lot of judgements about bmw owners, but in reality it really most of them are nearly perfected cars.

A 370z is gonna need a lot more than just boltons + tune to catch up to a M3.
lol...
M3's are serious, even in stock form.

One of my closer friends has an 07 335i. He pretty much has full bolt ons, and a procede tune putting down about 400 wheel on stock turbos. Just waiting for meth injection and an lsd. The thing is a blast to drive. He does claim there is a "bmw tax" on pretty much everything, its ridiculous what he has to pay for parts and upgrades. Also he is on his 4th fuel pump. Honestly my Z cannot keep up at all. However I can get better autocross times :]

M3's stock trap around 112, modded I've seen as high as 117-119 *boltons*. I don't think any non FI 370's have touched those type of traps.

stock for stock, our 370z would eat em up. plus we paid 10k less than they did.

highest i seen so far with the 370z was 115, that was a while back though, could be current or not....117-119 is really impressive

our aftermarket support is slow its sad...i have high hopes for when they crack VVEL and adjust it

Lots of flaws with BMWs. They are consistently on lowest reliability listings from all quality rating systems. They have some real design flaws too. My neighbor owns a very successful BMW repair shop. He's a millionaire! That wasn't from working on nearly perfected cars. LOL!

Just look at reliability/quality reports on Mini and BMW are consistently rated the worst.

Reliability Rankings for 2010 Car Brands (parent company in parentheses)

1. Scion (Toyota)
2. Honda
3. Toyota
4. Infiniti (Nissan)
5. Acura (Honda)
6. Mitsubishi
7. Lexus (Toyota)
8. Hyundai
9. Porsche
10. Mercury (Ford)
11. Saab
12. Subaru
13. Suzuki
14. Kia
15. Mazda
16. Ford
17. Nissan
18. Volvo
19. Buick (General Motors)
20. Lincoln (Ford)
21. Volkswagen
22. Pontiac (General Motors)
23. Mercedes-Benz
24. Audi (Volkswagen)
25. Chevrolet (General Motors)
26. BMW
27. Mini (BMW)
28. GMC (General Motors)
29. Saturn (General Motors) - defunct by 2011
30. Jeep (Chrysler)
31. Dodge (Chrysler)
32. Cadillac (General Motors)
33. Chrysler


Ratings | J.D. Power
Ratings | J.D. Power

Wont see BMW in top ten of these top cars.

Car Reliability Ratings 2010 ? The 10 Most Reliable Coupes and 2-Door Hatchbacks at Various Age Ranges

You buy BMW to get the name. It's like Starbucks

Wow I didn't know that! That's a solid trap for sure!

I don't need a list to show me how poor MINI's (BMW) reliability is..

:ugh2:Nissan is pretty damn far on that list...not including infiniti of course..its pretty sad seeing some of the manufactures that are above nissan on that list

Infiniti is Nissan. My g35 was a disaster after 5 bose HU's, two window motors, and an engine I had enough.

Z doesn't seem any better , but not any worse. Curious why Infiniti is so high up while sharing most components with Nissan who's relatively low.

FWIW, the 370Z is made in the same factory (Tochigi, Japan) as all of the Infiniti sedans and coupes, so quality should be about the same.

The list compares brands as a whole and not individual models. I suppose many Nissan models don't overlap with the Infinity models. Say a Nissan Versa turns out to be a 'dog' and they have many issues with X component. Nissan as a whole would take a quality drop while Infinity would stay in the clear, irregardless of the Z and G sharing parts.

335i is faster and better in everyway.
Although the 370Z is the winner in looks.

I agree i just came from a 335i and my 370 is sweet. But my 335i was winner hands down 390whp...beast... But like i said the370z is a great competor and everyday driver i love the looks of the body lines on my z

Whatever, try running on a road course and see for yourself.

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I'm almost certain that the 370Z out handles the 335i.
But in terms of power we lose.
Both are great cars imo!

390whp is not really comparing stock vs stock... is it? ;)

I test drove a few 335i's before deciding on the Z. They felt pretty equal as far as power is concerned. I just couldn't get over the BMW's bland interior and added cost.

I came across this vid searching for test pipe clips, came in here to post the video below and then realized you are the creator of the vid. Hah.

335i Tune + Intake vs. 370Z Nismo TP + CBE
YouTube - 335i vs Nismo 370z *2nd run*

Nice run.

i can't believe that scion builds the most reliable cars, even better then the pricey lexus from the same manufacturer? come on :)

Almost all Infinitis are built in japan. Almost all Nissans are built outside of Japan. I think that has alot to do with quality control. It is better to build things closer to home where you have better control over the process.

Same wth Scions. All Scions are built in Japan. I don't know about Lexus tho. They seem lower than usual in the rankings.

You're looking at this the wrong way. Scion's line-up consists of only 3 cars - all of which are essentially the same car (albeit the TC being a little left of center). Naturally, their reliability ratings will be inflated. The same thing happened with Jaguar and Buick a few years ago - and now that both have added more vehicles to the line-up, they dropped again.