I think the 410WHP might have something to do with that :eekdance:

Yeah..320 horsepower and 332 lb-ft of torque available from a mere 1,200 rpm, all the way up to 5,000 rpm and run low 12s with just a tune is overrated.:ugh2:

LOL... 320 hp running low 12s? Where did you get that from.... last i checked the 335 weighs 3600lb not 2600. :hello:

Road and track tested the 335 at 13.3 in the qaurter.

You can call 250 normal, but 250F is well beyond initial thermal breakdown. So IMO you do have overheating issues.

Maybe he's refering to this:
http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog....aaagsr6303.jpg

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I have one of these in my 2007 335i Coupe. It added 80hp/tq from what they claim. I've never put it on the dyno, but it pulls strong. (Juice Box) JB3 | BMW Chip | Juice Box | E90 Tuning | JuiceBox | BMW Performance

I've pounded on this car, it's never overheated once. But, during the first 3 months of ownership the water pump went out. Other than that it's been a great car.

Not stock, with tune only and great driving yes it's possible.

ready my post again.... :ugh2:
FYI, i owned a 335 for almost 2 years...

U can drop a big a$$ bomb through anyones a$$ and no 335 with 320 whp is going to run low 12s.... Period..

I love how on this forum, the 335i is looked down on, while on e90post, people look down on the Z

they are completely different cars

but my car, as a vert, weighs over 2 tons

when i was modded, I had no problem killing Zs, whether it was from a dead stop, a roll, up to 100, up to 130, or anything in between.
Now, when it came to the canyons, stock I have nothing.. the back end is really heavy on my vert (balance is better in the coupe obviously), but after sway bars, strut, and coils, i had no problem in the handling dept, even at 2 tons.

stock, i haven't tried anything, as stock is boring.

Also, the JB3 tune, on map 3 (lowest map) will give about 350whp (up from stock of about 275)
but that's in prime conditions.
if it's too hot, you will get less power and strong heatstroke.

Performance Mods I had:
JB3 2.0 Map 5
Catless Downpipes (but stock exhaust)
Helix Front Mount Step-Intercooler
BMS Dual Cone intake.
RR Oil Catch Can
Rapter Dual BOV

I was pushing about 430wtq and 445whp on 93
Though I don't have the dyno sheet, so you can take it however you want.
I never raced it officially on a drag strip, but using my friends GPS tracking thing (it was used specifically to get G and 1/4 etc, forgot what it was called, cool thing though), i ran the 1/4 is 12.8

I would walk non-FI M3s all day and night as those cars have no torque

But regarding reliablity... if you keep the car stock, get the oil cooler under warranty (for MY 07 cars), the main issue you will face is the High Pressure Fuel Pump.
They aren't the most reliable cars... but after taking off my tune, I have noticed it doesn't make long cranks etc.
I was pushing a peak of 16.1 psi when I ran map 7 on my jb3
daily driving I did map 5 at about 14 psi

My car stock... I am actually liking the low end torque a lot... i used to think stock was dead slow right after I demodded (did it all in a day), but now I can't really remember how much power I really had...

The Z..is a much more nimble car.
Stock for stock, it will out handle the 335i from my experience.
There is a price differece... a big one.
But with the 335i, you get 4 usable seats, free oils changes brakese etc, and the BMW Badge (which to some, not all, is worth it)
But with the Z, you get better stock styling (IMO, to each his own), the history, a more predictable NA engine (FI can sometimes get tricky), more reliable (well, I am starting to think differently after reading all these oil consumption problems on the 09s), and a good $$ difference that can be used for mods, or investment, or whatever.

But you shouldn't compare the 335i to the Z.. it's like comparing apples and oranges.

And calling a 335i boring... well maybe a stock one without an aero lip or anything.. but to each his own

Here's my 335i before I demodded:

http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/t...ersian54/2.jpg


http://i626.photobucket.com/albums/t...IMG_1372-1.jpg


Sorry for the long post

and you just proved my point that with 320 whp no 335 with its stock weight is going to run low 12s....

from experience every 100lb is 0.1 second off ur 1/4 mile time so the coupe would have ran 12.6 instead of 12.8...

The wouldn't call the 335i boring based on its driving dynamics. It's just too utilatarian and it seems like every spoiled housewife or wannabe Jersey Shore look a like, on Long Island anyways, drives one. Your ride might be an exception, but you shouldn't have to modify a car for it to be significant. Comparing modded cars with stock is pointless for the purpose of this thread.

Comparing the Z to the 335I seems fair to me:
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Also, badges are cheap and meaningless
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Haha i like that pic

Well, stock 335i is by no means 'bad'
But remember that the OP said he raced a 335i with bolt ons.. so modding was relevant to the discussion at hand.

You're right when you say you shouldn't need to modify a car.

The main reason I was unhappy with the 335i stock is because prior to it I had a 996 Turbo.
They're completely difference cars
I wanted a more modern, and specifically a hard top vert, so i got the 335i.

The Z... for the little bit that I have driven it... seems to satisfy my urges enough for the next year or so (I tend to change cars every 18 months, on avg)
I say I won't mod it now... that's what I said with the 335i... but who knows.

People are saying you need an oil cooler to track it well... just like how on the 335i, people said a FMIC would be great.

Guess many cars, be it a sports car, a sport luxury car, or whatever, when being pushed on the track, need to modified.

Though it seems the GTR doesn't... but the after track costs are high...

Anywayyysss

Stock vs stock, a 335i and Z seem to be pretty even on a straight (with the slight advantage to the 335i due to the massive tq at such a low rpm)

A Z feels like it handles better (haven't driven it enough to give a valid answer)

Both are great cars... but they are different... a 335i is more comfortable and roomy... the Z is more of a true sports car and is a deal cheaper.
A loaded Z costs 42k, a base 335i is 44k. but a loaded 335i is about 53k (09 prices, not sure on the new 11s much)

If I could afford it, I'd take a Nismo for the track, and a 335i as a DD.
but that's just my .02....

^well here is the misconception that you have. stock 335 is not as fast as a stock Z. Since you live local, there is a track day in california speedway coming up and you can bring a stock 335 (E90 92 or 93) and you will see how much harder the Z pulls. If you can't do the track day, you can PM me we can make other arrangements.

I can also explain to you why they have very similar numbers on the paper:

You can pull 2.0 60ft times without efford on the BMW even with its stock runflats. Work on it a little bit you will get sub 2.0 60ft time.
My very first ever launch in my 335 was at the track with zero practice and i pulled 2.01 60ft time with just 800 miles on the car. I can almost guarantee that i can never brake the 2.10 barrier in my Z ever with street tires.

Every 0.1 60ft usually yields 0.2 seconds off of your ET. That is sagnificant advantage that the BMW has over the Z. Any rolling speeds Z will pull ahead with ease from any stock 335.... Trust me i have done this countless times with these cars..... :)

I see 370z's around my neck of the woods all the time. I see 335i's every once in a while and they look hot, especially the coupe. And as far as the BMW 335i's being "slow" and "boring" I don't know WTF some of you are talking about. For one, they aren't if any slower than the 370z running 4.7 0-60 and 13.3@106mph in the 1/4 (way quicker with a simple tune), they handle extremely well and are a blast to drive. It would ultimately come down to who's the better driver because all out performance is comparable stock. The Z is a decent car for the money but I’d take a 335i in a heartbeat over one. They’re two totally different cars with different strengths and weaknesses. I just prefer the 335i for its turbo inline 6cyl (very broad torque curve), 50/50 weight distribution balance, looks, build quality and other things.

I would take the sedan (I like the under-stated look of both) although the coupe might look a bit better

http://www.autosnewspaper.com/wp-con...en-blank-3.jpg

http://www.unilife-bmw-military.com/cars/335i%20Cou.jpg

I commute 70 miles a day in Central Florida and I see at most 3-4 370Z's a week. I definitely see way more 335's. I probably see at least 2-3 Porsche's every day though.

I'm down :)

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Not sure if I can make it to the track day

We need to get this done in the next few weeks as my car will be gone

btw, remember an e90/92 will kill a e93 stock for stock too.

Tbh, I'm a bit scarred as my fuel pump is dying (again)
but... since I'm lemoning it.. i could care less anymore. let it die again...
Though it doesn't handle well, I never got an alignment after I took off my suspension; since I don't care about the car anymore...

I guess maybe the Z drivers I've gone against weren't the best.

since even a fully modded 6MT 335i can lose to a stock 6AT 335i depending on the driver.
I know that if you gave a 6MT 335i, I wouldn't be as fast.
I haven't owned a daily 6MT in a long time.

^will do. :)

I love my e92! I came from a z33 now I'm coming back from my euro trip back to the z34 can't wait. They are both unique fast cars. You can't go wrong with either of them women love em both!

Both cars are awesome. I really do love the 370 and with boltons they are very respectable cars. My boy has a bolton Nismo 370 and that car is pure sex!!! Stock for stock it's a drivers race between both cars, basically whoever messes up looses. Now you say 6at vs 370 and I'd probably give it to the 6at as they don't drop boost while shifting and the shitlfts are quick. I tested this between wifey's car and mine. Her sedan would pull a solid 1.5 cars on me up to 120ish stock for stock.

Call me crazy , but my BMW dealer has a 335i Sedan , in the blue color with 12,500 miles in their lot. It caught my eye passing the dealer and I have been toying with the idea of possibly making a move on it...


here's the auto trader link.....

335i at my dealer

Im pretty confident I could get them down to 27ish...

If I could find a 335xi for same price with low miles I would be even more serious about it.

You're trading the Z in on a 335i? :icon18:

Thats not what he said you dummy...:icon18:

He didn't specify. :icon18:

Nothing wrong with that... I think the other way around is crazier than going from a Z to 335.

I did go from a 335 to a Z and the only reason was because the 335 was "too" perfect of a car. I wanted more character, rawness in the car and the 370z is filling that role perfectly...

I can't say I agree with that. Too perfect of a car? If it was perfect it would have more character and rawness like you said. In fact I might even go far enough to say that the 335i coupe is flawed in the fact that is lacks character... guess that's why they offer the m3?

I have a 07 with a oil cooler, with a tune, DCI, downpipes.. I put down 375whp and about 380 lbs of torque. with drag radials I ran a 12.10 @ 115 mph. stock I ran a 13.1 @105

those mods cost me <$1200 besides the drag radials, Ill be adding an intercooler and meth in the next month

I've been contemplating a BMW myself. But when I was back in Dallas a few weeks back, all I saw were BMW's on the road. I would say, in the North Dallas area, 1 out of 5 cars were BMWs and that may be a very conservative estimate.

They are great cars, no doubt, but I just didn't want to buy a car that everyone else had as well.

335i's are BMW drag race cars. As other members on here have posted, 335i's that were making more power could not keep up with the Z in the corners although they made up for it in the straights. Also remember the 335i is turbo charged, as more and more Z's are getting turbo charged this will not be even worth discussing. I love the inline 6 engine layout but BMW gives you some really small yet efficient turbos. Put enough stress on those turbos and you have a reliability issue.

I ran with a 335i on the way home today and I can tell you from my personal viewpoint, he wasn't confident in the turns.

No! he wasn't confident his wallet could handle the repair bill in event of an off-road excursion

They really are BMW's drag cars... especially if you went the 135i coupe route you'd be lighter, not to mention weight shavings on top of that compared to the 335i. With about $1800 in mods you can easily make over 400rwhp with stock turbos.

But comparing a boosted Z vs. a 335i and once again no comparison, the Z would just make the '35i look SLOW

and honestly if I wanted a drag car I'd go back to Mustangs. I've experienced one dimensional cars, 2 Mustangs were a lot of fun. They were cheap to mod and were torque monsters. Hell if they kept the 99-04 body style with the new motor I'd probably still have one.

If there is one thing I wish the Z had its more low down torque but that's the trade of with very high revving engines. I've made the adjustment but still, you could always tap the pedal in a Stang and feel that torque, even with TT's Z's don't get full torque until ~3500rpm.

I wouldn't get a BMW 135 or 335, the exception being the new M135 but I'm sure you're looking at $40K+, a waiting list, or hard to come by inventory

It's the same way in tallahassee. But I see about 5-6 370Z's a month. Saw a silver one today on campus actually and was really surprise :) There should be a all Z day in Florida!

As far as the 335i goes? they are too common and every "Miami Jersey Shore" kid has one. I can't wait till I am supercharged, than I can walk on these fckrs. My friend has one that is full bolt on, and is about to get a piggyback. Can't stand that his **** is faster than mine.. well in a straight line anyways ;)

I drove a number of 335s...I didn't even consider it a worthy purchase and started looking straight at the M3. I used to think to myself "what's the point of the M3 now with the 335 being twin-turbo?" Well, after driving a 335 and M3 to see for myself, I quickly realized: "oh, the 335 is a half-assed car compared to the M3."

No limited slip diff (the ultimate killer, imo). Flat looks. Unaggressive feel. Lack of road feedback. Handling nowhere near as tight as the M3 or 370Z. And that interior was about as plain and unappealing as you could get.

M3 is a beast of a car.

They're really not that fast, actually. A lot of us guys complain about 370Zs not having the low-end torque, the M3s are even worse, especially since they're so much heavier than our cars. Plus bolt on 370Zs are already running quicker traps through the 1/4 than a stock M3. And since M3s don't make a whole lot of power with bolt-ons, a fully bolted and tuned 370Z will have no problem hanging with a modded M3.

And since the boring 3-series interior carries over to the M3...I passed.

why are we using the 1/4 mile to compare 2 cars, neither of which are geared towards drag racing?

Because it is what the fast and the furious said to do.....

Nevermind that both cars are great track cars. Because trap-speeds is what you use when someone mentions 'beastliness' of a car. Being a beast implies power, and trap-speed is a measure of power. Pretty simple, and I just felt like pointing out that the 370Z can be just as powerful given a small handful of mods. We buy these cars because they're powerful and to enjoy that power, not because we can take them to tracks and revel in their handling capabilities.

Also, if we really are talking about gearing, the M3, especially the very short-ratios of the DCT, is very much geared to dutifully perform while drag racing. A 4.7:1 1st gear helps snap the car off the line, allowing for solid acceleration to combat the car's lack of low-end torque. It exemplifies that BMW wanted to make a car that burst off the line when the driver wanted to.