nissan probably did less on helping amature racers than any other company, does it surprise you that they dont make a perfect car?

with all the back and forth on sports cars, how many people have actually been on a road course duh.

Yea there's really not much worth talking about anymore. Most of the track events I go to I see rich guys in fast, expensive "pure sports cars" spinning out, over-steering into the infield, etc. They have these wonderful cars but can't drive them for $hit. And in terms of a "budget sports car", wouldn't the GT-R be in that category as well? Relatively speaking, 85 grand for one of the best production cars ever made that competes (and beats) cars that cost three times as much seems like a "budget car". My point is that price isn't really relevent when you consider the fact that you need to be a professional level driver to experience what powerful, exotic rwd cars can do on a track. And lets face it, the majority of those cars are purchased for all the wrong reasons. My parents live near Missy Elliot and I got one of my old cars tinted at a place that was installing a stereo system in her powder blue gallardo. Is she taking that car on a track to test out the stock brakes and cooling system? Except in rare instances I have found that driving ability, and "enthusiast rating" is inversely proportional to the price of the automobile. There are exceptions of course, but the enxt track day you go to check out the skill in the exotics. Last NASA event I was at all the driving instructors had race prepped vettes. Definitely a budget car by industry standards, but a hell of a car.

But yea, I'll agree that the Z is not the purest form of a sports car. But I would also not want a "super duper pure" sports car for a DD. I've been in a GT3, it's hellish unless you have smooth roads. I can't imagine an RS.

my prius is faster than an old porsche 914, fb rx7 and triumphs at the track, does it make them less of a sports car? i actually call the british roadsters garbage, but thats another story?

Thanks for confirming. It is a sports car, budget or not.

Nobody said it wasn't :confused:

Anyways, looks like my work here is done. Back to bummer bashing and defense.

whats the point of adding the "probably more like" number to your quotes?? Is that so you can seem like its doing more with less??!!? this is so childish you keep sing up you BMW man, i wouldnt take it over a Z for any track event, Ever. I got an oil cooler for 250!!!! My temps never go above 180-190 on waaay longer track events that what you posted, in texas heat. And about the brake pad issue, nissan, spec'd them out wrong, but the Z's brakes have amazing stopping power with a correct pad. The clamp force is there, just a bad spec'd pad that costs even less than my oil cooler...so again quit taking little indirect jabs at the 370Z by contrasting statements like "even my little girlie 135I blah blah blah". If some one called you car girly, they obviosly dont know too much. If you want to preach how much better you car is then a thread on your forum would be best. Most guys on here have allot of track time and experince to know what Z is and is capable and will not agree that your car is better. Hell i can guarentee if you go to track event and ask a wide variety of **enthusiasts** 8x out of 10 will pick Z over yours





The car pulls much harder on the street than the 370 did, which was confirmed by some DynoMaster for Android runs showing sub 10 second 0-100 times, where the Z could do around 12 seconds.

and about this^ :rolleyes::bowrofl::thumbsdown::wtf:

thats a straight insult to real track heads

i wouldnt say most z owners have a lot of track time, i think most are probably hacks (i am the biggest one). you are giving us too much credit.

we like fast and furious,vin diese lis the bald jesus

I have a lot of track time and I'll say that an old Miata is the best car to learn in. The Z has way too much power for a beginner. That's why I laugh when I see 17 year old's in 400 hp mustangs. Just asking for trouble.

Push, you shaved 4 secs off your lap time just with sway bars, HFC's, and exhaust? That's pretty nice.

GZ, do you use an aggressive street pad or a race pad?

Push was arguing it wasn't earlier, I just quoted him for reference and responded.

There are 19 Year Old kids in Pro Racing so being 17 and having a 400hp Mustang doesn't matter. Knowing how to drive Does. A 16 year old kid with Good amount of track days is better at driving than a 40 year old without any track days.

Never said it wasn't. Have repeatedly been saying the Z is a sports car, but the entire argument was based on the fact that the Z was called a "pure sports car in every sense of the word". Loved my 370z, still do.

First of all, the probably more like is related to the G's under acceleration graphs I had. It was pulling slightly harder on the tune that is supposed to make 370~ hp than the stock tune, which is where I'm basing that off of. Not to mention the fact that the 135 and 370 weights are near identical, and is slightly less aerodynamic...which produced similar top speeds on the straightaway. The just tells me about what my actual crank hp was...

I'm not preaching that the 135 is a better track car than the 370z in any way. I have over and over said the 370 is a better handling car, has decent power, and is therefore a great deal if you want a car you can reasonably drive a few or most days of the week that you'd like to also track. I would pick a moderately modified 370z over a moderately modified 135i any day of the week if it came to which one I want to track, or hands down the 370 if money were no object.

Second of all, Dyno master for android is incredibly accurate. It was within 3 hp of my actual dyno numbers, and within .1 seconds of video timing for the 0-100 runs.

Yep, the 370z really responds to the hotchkis bars. I was easily able to outrun C6 Z06's through the curves with the sways and R-Comps. Without the sway bars the car had pretty massive understeer, comparatively. You can kill a driver that isn't totally comfortable with their car almost no matter what they have. I have some pics somewhere of me riding an ACR-X viper around a turn, he was pretty pissed. He even asked me if the car was turboed :rofl2:

The 370 is a sports car, I never said that. I said it wasn't what I'd call a "pure sports car", because it is not. A pure sports car should be able to go from the showroom to the track with nothing changed and run hard the whole time. I am well aware that you can make it track ready for under $1000, but that is irrelevant in what we were arguing.

Once again, I love the 370z. It is a great car all around and can be quite a beast at the racetrack with a couple thousand in modifications. I would still have mine if I had the time or room for a third car, but at this point in my life I have two garage spaces, commute a ways to school, and still want to get on a track every couple of weeks. That's why I don't have it anymore, not because I think a 1 series is a better race car than a Z, because it is not.

you hit the wrong nerves with these guys. bmw 1 or 3 series is like the 350z to the rx8s. owners get very defensive when you make any points about how their car isnt perfect.

on another note, you ran faster on your other track day because you drove better and had the mods. mods alone wont get you 5 sec, not those mods anyway

Mmmm I'll half agree with you. You could run faster without the bolt ons and sway bars, but at the same time it's pretty damn difficult to do so. The sway bars make it much easier to drive a heck of a lot faster. You can carry a ton more speed through the turns.

agree, but five seconds difference on a two minute course? no one would be buying tires.

obviously. i'm sure shumi, kimi, montoya etc were pretty good at 16