Nissan 370Z Forum  

CJM Road Race Fuel Pump, Production Round 4

References: Conception to Production Round 1 Production Rounds 2 & 3 Ordering & Deposit Link CJ Motorsports 370z Road Race Pump With production underway, its time to make the 4th

Go Back   Nissan 370Z Forum > Nissan 370Z Tech Area > Track / Autocross / Drifting / Dragstrip


Like Tree122Likes

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 12-14-2015, 01:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,654
Drives: 370
Rep Power: 944523
phunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond repute
Default CJM Road Race Fuel Pump, Production Round 4

References:
Conception to Production Round 1
Production Rounds 2 & 3
Ordering & Deposit Link

CJ Motorsports 370z Road Race Pump



With production underway, its time to make the 4th batch official.

The CJM 370z RRP functions as an in-tank fuel surge canister. It mounts inside the tank behind the driver's seat, and works in coordination with the factory fuel pump module (via in-tank hoses) that resides behind the passenger seat.

With over 50 produced and in-use, it is the only time-tested and proven bolt-in and reversible solution to fuel starvation in the 370z. It doesn't only reduce fuel starvation, it eliminates it. Until the fuel tank is so close to empty that fuel pick-up would no longer be a rational expectation, this product is customer proven to maintain fuel system pressure. Typical reports are that the vehicle can still be raced with the low-level-light active. While it is not entirely recommended to run the tank completely dry (since this will reduce the factory fuel pump's lifespan), you will now be given a choice to refill the fuel as you see fit.

The only component of the installation that remains outside of the fuel tank is the wiring to energize the fuel pump inside the Road Race Pump. There are no external fuel lines or canisters added to the vehicle with this solution.

The RRP, in standard configuration, holds a Walbro 255lph fuel pump. Its not a normal Walbro 255, it is a special model with a second stage. The second stage of this pump is a solid-state jet pump used for the RRP's self-filling feature. This means that, not only is the RRP surge canister fed by the standard fuel pump (on passenger side) as an ordinary surge canister is, but it also pulls in fuel itself from the driver's side of the tank.

A secondary function of the RRP is to over-flow surplus fuel back to the factory fuel pump module. This is to extend the pump life of the factory fuel pump by assisting in keeping it "wet" when it may otherwise be starving dry.

Please feel free to post any questions.

I expect to start shipping this batch by March. I included an ordering & deposit link at the top of this post. A reservation is required to *guarantee* a unit, but at this point it is unknown if the demand will be great enough to require the reservations. A full payment is also an option, but is not required until your order is ready to ship.

I would like to address a couple very common questions about the RRP.

Q: Is the RRP E85 compatible?
A: Yes. Like all fuel system components, the fuel pump within the RRP and the fuel lines added inside the tank to interface it, may experience a decrease in service life with E85 in some conditions. However, there is no need for exceptional/additional concern with the RRP.

Q: Is the RRP compatible with my Return Fuel System
A: Yes, the RRP is essentially irrelevant to a RFS conversion, and installation of a RFS and RRP have no overlap. However, take note that the RRP's 255 will be the pump sending fuel to the engine & rails, and whichever pump is in the factory module will only be sending fuel to the RRP canister.

Q: Can the RRP support high power?
A: Out of the box, the RRP will support around 500-550rwhp with gasoline, or 350-375rwhp with E85. A little more with a return-fuel system upgrade. The RRP includes an unused secondary fuel pump position for when the engines fuel needs are greater than the included 255 can support. This secondary position can accommodate another 255, or a 340, 450, or any other fuel pump with the same main diameter as a Walbro or direct-fit replacement. Once the RRP has been converted to a twin pump, it would be recommended to upgrade the factory fuel pump module with a 255 or perhaps even a 340.

Q: Can I change the RRP's 255 to another pump?
A: Maybe. The RRP was designed to perform as well as it does by depending on the included special model Walbro 255's integrated jet-pump to activate a self filling function. To replace this special version of the Walbro 255 will defeat the RRP's self-filling ability (other than a small gravity check valve also built in to it). It is, to the best of our knowledge, untested and unproven as to how well the RRP will perform with its self-filling defeated. However, should anyone wish to try it, they would need to know that the fuel pump position the 255 resides in will not fit the larger 400/450 fuel pumps, just the single diameter pumps like other 255s, or an Aeromotive 340, or AEM, or other same-diameter pumps. There is also a hole under this 255 that would need to be plugged.

Q: Can the RRP be installed to a G37?
A: Unfortunately it cannot. A G37 fuel tank is much shallower than a 370z fuel tank, and this product is much too tall to fit. A custom G37 unit could be produced one-off, but it would require some leg-work of the customer (providing us with some measurements).
ENT-Z, ban25, street2soul and 6 others like this.
__________________
Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube
Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph

Last edited by phunk; 12-14-2015 at 01:29 PM.
phunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2015, 01:52 PM   #2 (permalink)
Enthusiast Member
 
ban25's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: SF, CA
Posts: 339
Drives: 17 C7 Z06 M7
Rep Power: 65
ban25 has a reputation beyond reputeban25 has a reputation beyond reputeban25 has a reputation beyond reputeban25 has a reputation beyond reputeban25 has a reputation beyond reputeban25 has a reputation beyond reputeban25 has a reputation beyond reputeban25 has a reputation beyond reputeban25 has a reputation beyond reputeban25 has a reputation beyond reputeban25 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Reserved!
phunk likes this.
__________________
2017 Corvette Z06 7MT | 1LE | Stage 3 | DSCSport
ban25 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2015, 02:09 PM   #3 (permalink)
Base Member
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: France
Posts: 54
Drives: 2010 370z 40th Anniv
Rep Power: 13
Coyote is on a distinguished road
Default

One quick question: is this special fuel pump thing new fire this batch or was that already in the previous ones?

Envoyé de mon Nexus 5 en utilisant Tapatalk
Coyote is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2015, 02:11 PM   #4 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,654
Drives: 370
Rep Power: 944523
phunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
One quick question: is this special fuel pump thing new fire this batch or was that already in the previous ones?

Envoyé de mon Nexus 5 en utilisant Tapatalk
All previous batches as well!

Only a few cosmetic changes have occurred and in-tank hose construction has had a couple versions.
__________________
Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube
Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph
phunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-14-2015, 02:28 PM   #5 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: 03350 Australia
Posts: 1,503
Drives: 09 Nissan 370Z M6
Rep Power: 29907
BGTV8 has a reputation beyond reputeBGTV8 has a reputation beyond reputeBGTV8 has a reputation beyond reputeBGTV8 has a reputation beyond reputeBGTV8 has a reputation beyond reputeBGTV8 has a reputation beyond reputeBGTV8 has a reputation beyond reputeBGTV8 has a reputation beyond reputeBGTV8 has a reputation beyond reputeBGTV8 has a reputation beyond reputeBGTV8 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

PM sent
phunk likes this.
BGTV8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2015, 12:26 AM   #6 (permalink)
Enthusiast Member
 
derraj06's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Location: Huntsville, AL
Posts: 406
Drives: MB 370z
Rep Power: 11
derraj06 is a glorious beacon of lightderraj06 is a glorious beacon of lightderraj06 is a glorious beacon of lightderraj06 is a glorious beacon of lightderraj06 is a glorious beacon of light
Default

Working on my build plan currently. I should be reserving one in the next week or two unless something changes.
phunk likes this.
derraj06 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-16-2015, 05:19 PM   #7 (permalink)
Enthusiast Member
 
street2soul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Texas
Posts: 284
Drives: 13 Nismo
Rep Power: 3369
street2soul has a reputation beyond reputestreet2soul has a reputation beyond reputestreet2soul has a reputation beyond reputestreet2soul has a reputation beyond reputestreet2soul has a reputation beyond reputestreet2soul has a reputation beyond reputestreet2soul has a reputation beyond reputestreet2soul has a reputation beyond reputestreet2soul has a reputation beyond reputestreet2soul has a reputation beyond reputestreet2soul has a reputation beyond repute
Default

reserved
phunk likes this.
street2soul is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2015, 09:40 AM   #8 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
takjak2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Sterling, VA
Posts: 1,922
Drives: Legit Racecar 370Z
Rep Power: 142
takjak2 has a reputation beyond reputetakjak2 has a reputation beyond reputetakjak2 has a reputation beyond reputetakjak2 has a reputation beyond reputetakjak2 has a reputation beyond reputetakjak2 has a reputation beyond reputetakjak2 has a reputation beyond reputetakjak2 has a reputation beyond reputetakjak2 has a reputation beyond reputetakjak2 has a reputation beyond reputetakjak2 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

4th round! I have been sporting this setup on track since the first batch. Even transferred it to a second car. Excellent product, excellent support from CJ. Give him your money!

Then buy a set of these. 3 Piece Long Reach Hose Grip Pliers
phunk, JARblue and zguynate like this.
__________________
Mods | Stuff | Things | Seat Time | Nismo
facebook.com/TeamSparrowSpeed
takjak2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2015, 09:44 AM   #9 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
TerribleONE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Socal
Posts: 10,203
Drives: WOT
Rep Power: 5850
TerribleONE has a reputation beyond reputeTerribleONE has a reputation beyond reputeTerribleONE has a reputation beyond reputeTerribleONE has a reputation beyond reputeTerribleONE has a reputation beyond reputeTerribleONE has a reputation beyond reputeTerribleONE has a reputation beyond reputeTerribleONE has a reputation beyond reputeTerribleONE has a reputation beyond reputeTerribleONE has a reputation beyond reputeTerribleONE has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I really should get in on this.. Gonna have to talk to F.I. about labor for the install would be nice not having to cringe making a long right turn under half a tank.
phunk and Hotrodz like this.
__________________
638WHP 541WTQ @ 13.5PSI
Build thread
TerribleONE is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2015, 12:10 PM   #10 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Ga
Posts: 13,504
Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z
Rep Power: 2684391
Spooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond repute
Default

I am in, reserve me one.
phunk likes this.
Spooler is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-18-2015, 09:09 PM   #11 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Ga
Posts: 13,504
Drives: 2013 Nismo 370z
Rep Power: 2684391
Spooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond reputeSpooler has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Phunk, I need to call you so we can talk fuel for a turbo upgrade in the future. I am thinking about doing all my supporting mods first, then the Turbo upgrade a year later. I am thinking of doing a 3 step upgrade. Fuel, LSD, and clutch/flywheel first. Turbo upgrade next. Then a year later, rods, pistons, and exhaust cams. That way I don't have to pull all the money out my butt at once.
phunk likes this.
Spooler is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2015, 12:13 AM   #12 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Felix 808's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Camarillo, CA
Posts: 1,063
Drives: 2011 PW/Grey T/S 7AT
Rep Power: 2806
Felix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by phunk View Post
References:
The RRP, in standard configuration, holds a Walbro 255lph fuel pump. Its not a normal Walbro 255, it is a special model with a second stage. The second stage of this pump is a solid-state jet pump used for the RRP's self-filling feature. This means that, not only is the RRP surge canister fed by the standard fuel pump (on passenger side) as an ordinary surge canister is, but it also pulls in fuel itself from the driver's side of the tank.

[U] the RRP's 255 will be the pump sending fuel to the engine & rails, and whichever pump is in the factory module will only be sending fuel to the RRP canister.
So as I read the above passage, it would seem that the RRP would provide fuel to the engine even if the factory pump failed, is this correct? Could you run the RRP as a stand alone pump with a Hydra mat setup to scavenge fuel from the entire tank?

Thanks
__________________
Semper Fi

Μολὼν λαβέ
Felix 808 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2015, 03:23 PM   #13 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,654
Drives: 370
Rep Power: 944523
phunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Spooler View Post
Phunk, I need to call you so we can talk fuel for a turbo upgrade in the future. I am thinking about doing all my supporting mods first, then the Turbo upgrade a year later. I am thinking of doing a 3 step upgrade. Fuel, LSD, and clutch/flywheel first. Turbo upgrade next. Then a year later, rods, pistons, and exhaust cams. That way I don't have to pull all the money out my butt at once.
I am working on a hardware kit to ease the RRP's high horsepower applications. I think I can put together a relatively inexpensive package to get it to function properly as a single pump with a Walbro 450/E85 pump in it so people can make it to 600-700hp without having to turn the RRP into a twin pump.
ENT-Z, BGTV8, hjo1078 and 1 others like this.
__________________
Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube
Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph
phunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-19-2015, 03:28 PM   #14 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Chicago
Posts: 3,654
Drives: 370
Rep Power: 944523
phunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond reputephunk has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Felix 808 View Post
So as I read the above passage, it would seem that the RRP would provide fuel to the engine even if the factory pump failed, is this correct? Could you run the RRP as a stand alone pump with a Hydra mat setup to scavenge fuel from the entire tank?

Thanks
The RRP is self-filling from the drivers side of the tank, much like how the factory pump is self-filling from the passenger side of the tank.

If the factory fuel pump was removed, the RRP would lose its supply of fuel from the passenger side. This would cause it to have its own starvation side effects as it would not have any supply of fuel from the passenger side.

The RRP is a mostly closed canister, very similar to an external surge canister only it resides inside the tank. Anything attached to the fuel pump would also be contained within this canister... so if anyone devised a way to attach a hydramat to the pump inside the RRP, it would not really serve a purpose as the hydramat would not be exposed to any fuel outside of the RRP canister.

The RRP in its intended layout has proven to resolve starvation to the fullest... so I cannot say I see any purpose in trying to increase its function with a hydramat, as it already outperforms one.
Rusty likes this.
__________________
Charles @ CJ Motorsports : Website | Facebook | Instagram | YouTube
Home of the 9 second, stock longblock, stock drivetrain 6MT 370z. 9.91 @ 142mph
phunk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 12-20-2015, 12:25 PM   #15 (permalink)
A True Z Fanatic
 
Felix 808's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Camarillo, CA
Posts: 1,063
Drives: 2011 PW/Grey T/S 7AT
Rep Power: 2806
Felix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond reputeFelix 808 has a reputation beyond repute
Default

Reserve payment sent
__________________
Semper Fi

Μολὼν λαβέ
Felix 808 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
[FOR SALE] CJMotorsports 370z fuel starvation elimination kit, fuel pump brand new cossie1600 Parts for sale (Private Classifieds) 3 12-10-2015 09:43 PM
phunk's road race fuel pump install Rusty Track / Autocross / Drifting / Dragstrip 29 05-26-2015 04:54 PM
CJ Motorsports Road race pump... clintfocus Track / Autocross / Drifting / Dragstrip 37 08-10-2014 07:55 PM
[FOR SALE] Walbro 255 Lph Fuel Pump (PUMP ONLY) Nism0 Parts for sale (Private Classifieds) 8 08-18-2013 03:23 PM
List of Cal. race fuel at the pump KillerBee370 Southern California Region 7 11-25-2009 05:11 PM


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:33 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2