The Official 2011-2012 NBA season thread

[nmjaxx9]

Originally Posted by phelan

I don't think you understand my argument. I did not disagree with you in his technical ability. He is a living legend of the game, a man whose talents will not appear in the NBA again. He was the whole package, the one player you could build ANY team around, and still have a championship formula. His titles attest to his capabilities, and with Chicago's prowess in acquiring the right backup and support for him, he absolutely dominated the landscape.

But it's not just the people "hating" on him. Even the people who respect him and call him peerless...they are subject to his ire and anger. There is nobody in his world other than himself. He carries his pride? No, more like flaunts it. He rubs it in everybody's face the same he he did in the league back then. He's one of a kind, and he damn well knows it. How that is interpreted as a gentleman-like attitude is beyond me.

And who forced him to act that way? Who forces him now, when he was being inducted to the hall of fame, to be an absolute douchebag to everybody trying to pay tribute to him? We all know he's great, and he's still hating on the world for something that isn't there.

tl;dr - you've got to be f*cking kidding me, but I refuse to argue this point any further. It's just a pointless argument now.

If you are referring to the Hall of Fame speech, I disagree with you. All he was trying to do was call out the people who didn't want him to succeed. He had played humbly the whole time, had bottled all his emotions, and as a person, he was just expressing his emotions as any person has the right to do.

He expressed his feelings about people who held him back from being the best he could be, like his High School coach who didn't see his abilities and skills as player, or that General manager of the Bulls that he had such a hard time.

I think you are basing his humility off of one speech, which does not justify his actions throughout his whole career.

[KingZee]

Originally Posted by nmjaxx9

If you are referring to the Hall of Fame speech, I disagree with you. All he was trying to do was call out the people who didn't want him to succeed. He had played humbly the whole time, had bottled all his emotions, and as a person, he was just expressing his emotions as any person has the right to do.

He expressed his feelings about people who held him back from being the best he could be, like his High School coach who didn't see his abilities and skills as player, or that General manager of the Bulls that he had such a hard time.

I think you are basing his humility off of one speech, which does not justify his actions throughout his whole career.

Dude,did you read the last article I linked you to? He's a bonified genuine azzhole in every day life, what we're saying has nothing to do with his game.

[nmjaxx9]

Yes and the only one of those articles that had some truth to it was the one about his Hall of Fame speech...which I addressed cannot be used to judge him as a douche, when he was merely expressing his feelings about his career.

[KingZee]

Originally Posted by nmjaxx9

Yes and the only one of those articles that had some truth to it was the one about his Hall of Fame speech...which I addressed cannot be used to judge him as a douche, when he was merely expressing his feelings about his career.

LOL and you think Chamillionare is lying about his hero telling him "I ain't takin' pictures with no *****" in the presence of Paul Pierce and Spike Lee? He has absolutely no reason to lie in that situation. Jordan being an azzhole is no surprise to anyone, this argument is meaningless.

[phelan]

Originally Posted by KingZee

LOL and you think Chamillionare is lying about his hero telling him "I ain't takin' pictures with no *****" in the presence of Paul Pierce and Spike Lee? He has absolutely no reason to lie in that situation. Jordan being an azzhole is no surprise to anyone, this argument is meaningless.

and bound to go nowhere anytime soon.

[nmjaxx9]

Originally Posted by KingZee

LOL and you think Chamillionare is lying about his hero telling him "I ain't takin' pictures with no *****" in the presence of Paul Pierce and Spike Lee? He has absolutely no reason to lie in that situation. Jordan being an azzhole is no surprise to anyone, this argument is meaningless.

The argument was that Jordan is not humble. And I still stand by what I say because you cannot come to a conclusion that he was a douche or azz just because he spoke his mind. For how great of a player he was, he had every right to tell people what was really going on. And yes, sometimes the truth can be spoken in a bitter way so many people took it offensively. It shouldn’t undermine the fact that he is still a humble person. That is my main point. He has given to countless charities, his composure on the court was better than most hot headed players play or have played in the league. (i.e. KG, Shaq) The only thing you guys keep bringing up is his celeb life, his life outside the court. One of the things I already addressed is his Hall of Fame speech, where he had every right to vent about his frustrations he kept throughout his career. It is much more harder than it looks to always be in the spotlight, with millions of people judging you, and not have something to say about it. Probably, one of the reasons he denied a photo. If you start to criticize every little thing a person says, and frame them as a “douche” or “asshole” just because of that than even Bono and Oprah would be considered an azz. LOL. You didn’t know the guy, so your assumptions are based off of articles, and other people’s opinions.

[phelan]

Originally Posted by nmjaxx9

The argument was that Jordan is not humble. And I still stand by what I say because you cannot come to a conclusion that he was a douche or azz just because he spoke his mind. For how great of a player he was, he had every right to tell people what was really going on. And yes, sometimes the truth can be spoken in a bitter way so many people took it offensively. It shouldn’t undermine the fact that he is still a humble person. That is my main point. He has given to countless charities, his composure on the court was better than most hot headed players play or have played in the league. (i.e. KG, Shaq) The only thing you guys keep bringing up is his celeb life, his life outside the court. One of the things I already addressed is his Hall of Fame speech, where he had every right to vent about his frustrations he kept throughout his career. It is much more harder than it looks to always be in the spotlight, with millions of people judging you, and not have something to say about it. Probably, one of the reasons he denied a photo. If you start to criticize every little thing a person says, and frame them as a “douche” or “*******” just because of that than even Bono and Oprah would be considered an azz. LOL. You didn’t know the guy, so your assumptions are based off of articles, and other people’s opinions.

so...you personally know michael jordan?

actually, i always considered Bono to be the king of all douchebags, but that's just me.

can we drop this pointless argument already and get back to the basketball?

like..how BAD THE MAVERICKS ARE THIS YEAR

poor poor lamar

[nmjaxx9]

Originally Posted by phelan

so...you personally know michael jordan?

actually, i always considered Bono to be the king of all douchebags, but that's just me.

can we drop this pointless argument already and get back to the basketball?

like..how BAD THE MAVERICKS ARE THIS YEAR

poor poor lamar

No but im fighting for him so I dont need to thats the principle

[KingZee]

Originally Posted by phelan

so...you personally know michael jordan?

actually, i always considered Bono to be the king of all douchebags, but that's just me.

can we drop this pointless argument already and get back to the basketball?

like..how BAD THE MAVERICKS ARE THIS YEAR

poor poor lamar

I love how much the Mavs suck with Lamar...I hope the Lakers are the ones to kick them out of the playoffs, that'll be almost as good as a championship for me