2023 Formula 1 Thread

[thekinn]

Other than the sphere, the 'vegas lights' didn't impress. I think they would have been better served with a regular day-time race. I'm sure the drivers would agree.
Overall.. Zzzzz.... (like most of the races this year)

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by danegrey

watch qualification at 3am on EST
it was ok
but damn F1 and the owners of it.
accept the mess up and refund the money...
and why did they not pave over the covers to begin with...
Just did not look right at all. For all the trouble
actually not even sure if its a good show with all the lights...
will be up tonight to watch it, image, getting up at 1AM EST to watch a race in the USA.

There is a class action lawsuit in progress already about the short qualifying secession.

[NecioVato]

With RedBull taking the championship so early and easily - do you think you'll see F1 try to 'level the playing field'? Not sure how they would do it but it seems like RedBull clearly has the fastest car compared to everyone else.
I understand that before RedBull has gone on their run - Mercedes was running things for quite a long time. But I feel like RedBull was catching up and this just feels like its Max and then everyone is playing for 2nd.
Also - I am 'fairly new' to F1 sooo.....don't be too harsh if I'm talking out of a$$ haha.

[danegrey]

Originally Posted by NecioVato

With RedBull taking the championship so early and easily - do you think you'll see F1 try to 'level the playing field'? Not sure how they would do it but it seems like RedBull clearly has the fastest car compared to everyone else.
I understand that before RedBull has gone on their run - Mercedes was running things for quite a long time. But I feel like RedBull was catching up and this just feels like its Max and then everyone is playing for 2nd.
Also - I am 'fairly new' to F1 sooo.....don't be too harsh if I'm talking out of a$$ haha.

This is no different when Mercedes dominated. The only difference, Mercedes had two drivers, that kept it close. Red Bull, everything is setup for MAX, they really do not care about the 2nd driver... yes, I am a bit more upset with MAX, after last night. He is a very talented driver, but starting to get full of himself...

[danegrey]

After reading some articles, the F1 drivers are very lazy and do not like things when they have to work. Sorry, no grip, your suppose to be the best deal with it. Tire warmers, ohh I cannot drive. Yet IndyCar for as ancient as the car are, you never know who will win No tire warmers.

The racing was interesting and fun to watch, battles close, tires made too much of a difference hard tires 15 laps vs 20 laps - you were in trouble on the 20 laps.

Sorry but if you are the best, then learn to drive in all conditions

[Rusty]

Originally Posted by danegrey

After reading some articles, the F1 drivers are very lazy and do not like things when they have to work. Sorry, no grip, your suppose to be the best deal with it. Tire warmers, ohh I cannot drive. Yet IndyCar for as ancient as the car are, you never know who will win No tire warmers.

The racing was interesting and fun to watch, battles close, tires made too much of a difference hard tires 15 laps vs 20 laps - you were in trouble on the 20 laps.

Sorry but if you are the best, then learn to drive in all conditions

[ZCanadian]

Originally Posted by Rusty

Another thing the radio station said. The reason they are running it so early in the morning is that so the rest of the world gets to see it during normal hours.

Doubting this. Race times are always messed up for some markets - that's the way it is in a sport with global appeal. Organizers realized that Vegas is an illusion that looks much better with the magic of neon lights. Especially that Sphere! But they need to either run it after Canada next year, when the lows are 20C, or if in November then start it at sunset after a slate of support races.

This was cringe-worthy for the first 2/3 and downright dangerous. But the last 17 laps or so, when they were free from safety cars for long enough to keep the tires warm, and the track got more rubbered in, showed how great this event could be. I actually really like the track, but you could see how many passes got abandoned early on, owing to a lack of confidence in braking / turn-in.

And that limo ride to the Belagio didn't work. Either let the 3 winning cars stop there, or do the presentations at the pits.

[axmea?]

Well, here is my experience in Vegas.

We drove from Valencia, CA and took us only 4 hrs to get there. No traffic, no fuss, and got to Elara without a hitch. I took my camera with me but that was a fail. No friggin pro cameras were allowed.

Why all the moaning from many? It was a very good race. It didn't start as planned but it progressed nicely. This venue has great potential. Lot's of upside and better than Miami. COTA for the purist, Vegas is a race and a sideshow. Really nice for Vegas to create its own personality an no reason to emulate other races. Promoters should allow movement around the track, have access to different experiences and entertainment vs relegated to the zone you're in. Not saying having access to all zones, just be able to go around. I bought race day tickets only which was in the HGV zone, a clubhouse in front of the straight from the small chicane at the end of the strip on Harmon to T17. Cars were so fast I had to get used to my eyes focusing quickly to figure out who was who as cars drove by. For those who were new to this, I could just imagine them struggling to keep up. Was asked a couple of times who was passing by/showing me their phones asking who was driving on their blurry shot. Have the race earlier next year is a given. The RR Phantom limo ride to Bellagio was weird until I heard they needed to set up the stage in front of the paddock. Its like setting up for the halftime show which many Europeans would never understand. Daytime traffic can be fixed with coordinated/smart traffic lights. It wasn't bad going around the city during the day. We drove around the strip, Harmon, Sands without issue. Driving into the inside of the track and find parking was also a non-issue. Having a race day ticket gave us access to P3 and qualifying watch party on super large monitors spread out on the terrace with bottomless drinks and food and live entertainment from dudes who in their prime were from NSYNC and Back Street Boys. People had a blast, I was there for the racing. I couldn't drink and was done with alcohol by race day. Sections of the track needed more monitors. No pro cameras were allowed so that part sucked. They were strictly enforced. The only way to get a great shot anyway was to be on the track itself and have access to the crow's nest. Fences and walls wouldn't look good on the frame anyway. Security was understandably elevated. Never had to do this in COTA but they scan you in and out when leaving the zone.

Some smaller hotels, restaurants, and apartment condos along the track pretty much had free access to view the racetrack in front of them. Cars and vans parked on the backlot of a hotel in front of us and people just stood on top to watch the race. It was cold, i got sick, drunk, stuffed, and had a blast. So for anyone across the pond who hated this or wanted this event to fail, well they're just a bunch of wankers who aren't open to what a great event it can be. This race was a good one....so good, i would put it on the top 5 (3 even) of the year.

[ZCanadian]

Probably true, given his luck...

[ZCanadian]

I guess that this could be the start of a 2024 thread, but...

Williams brings back Sargeant for next season.
WHY???

https://www.williamsf1.com/posts/2de...-sargeant-2024

[danegrey]

Originally Posted by ZCanadian

I guess that this could be the start of a 2024 thread, but...

Williams brings back Sargeant for next season.
WHY???

https://www.williamsf1.com/posts/2de...-sargeant-2024

copied it to 2024 Formula 1

[danegrey]

Originally Posted by axmea?

Well, here is my experience in Vegas.

We drove from Valencia, CA and took us only 4 hrs to get there. No traffic, no fuss, and got to Elara without a hitch. I took my camera with me but that was a fail. No friggin pro cameras were allowed.

Why all the moaning from many? It was a very good race. It didn't start as planned but it progressed nicely. This venue has great potential. Lot's of upside and better than Miami. COTA for the purist, Vegas is a race and a sideshow. Really nice for Vegas to create its own personality an no reason to emulate other races. Promoters should allow movement around the track, have access to different experiences and entertainment vs relegated to the zone you're in. Not saying having access to all zones, just be able to go around. I bought race day tickets only which was in the HGV zone, a clubhouse in front of the straight from the small chicane at the end of the strip on Harmon to T17. Cars were so fast I had to get used to my eyes focusing quickly to figure out who was who as cars drove by. For those who were new to this, I could just imagine them struggling to keep up. Was asked a couple of times who was passing by/showing me their phones asking who was driving on their blurry shot. Have the race earlier next year is a given. The RR Phantom limo ride to Bellagio was weird until I heard they needed to set up the stage in front of the paddock. Its like setting up for the halftime show which many Europeans would never understand. Daytime traffic can be fixed with coordinated/smart traffic lights. It wasn't bad going around the city during the day. We drove around the strip, Harmon, Sands without issue. Driving into the inside of the track and find parking was also a non-issue. Having a race day ticket gave us access to P3 and qualifying watch party on super large monitors spread out on the terrace with bottomless drinks and food and live entertainment from dudes who in their prime were from NSYNC and Back Street Boys. People had a blast, I was there for the racing. I couldn't drink and was done with alcohol by race day. Sections of the track needed more monitors. No pro cameras were allowed so that part sucked. They were strictly enforced. The only way to get a great shot anyway was to be on the track itself and have access to the crow's nest. Fences and walls wouldn't look good on the frame anyway. Security was understandably elevated. Never had to do this in COTA but they scan you in and out when leaving the zone.

Some smaller hotels, restaurants, and apartment condos along the track pretty much had free access to view the racetrack in front of them. Cars and vans parked on the backlot of a hotel in front of us and people just stood on top to watch the race. It was cold, i got sick, drunk, stuffed, and had a blast. So for anyone across the pond who hated this or wanted this event to fail, well they're just a bunch of wankers who aren't open to what a great event it can be. This race was a good one....so good, i would put it on the top 5 (3 even) of the year.

Thanks for the feedback on the Vegas race. I would agree on the race, total unknowns for supposedly the best drivers in the world. They do complain a lot when they are not use to there conditions.

From watching on TV, as I stated for me just too much clutter. And being on the east coast, was not happy with the start time.

But you comments are fair about it trying to make its on mark on the F1 calendar.

Glad you had a good time.....