2022 Formula 1 Thread

Ventruck · 07-09-2022, 12:49 PM

I'm a little biased, but I feel like Sainz cost LeClerc a potential battle with Max today.

But I get that Sainz has also had fight on his hands too these last few races. It's a survival game at Ferrari, not so much between the drivers. Both drivers literally have to avoid losing all the time. Not trying to win, but trying not to lose.

Perez was a gangster.

danegrey · 07-09-2022, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ventruck

I'm a little biased, but I feel like Sainz cost LeClerc a potential battle with Max today.

But I get that Sainz has also had fight on his hands too these last few races. It's a survival game at Ferrari, not so much between the drivers. Both drivers literally have to avoid losing all the time. Not trying to win, but trying not to lose.

Perez was a gangster.

I agree, if Ferrari wants a Champion, they need to have team orders, or else Max is just going to walk away with it, if he hasn't already

danegrey · 07-09-2022, 03:31 PM

Finish watching the sprint and as I commented above.
I guess my take away is how well the Haas team did. Yea Perez got around them, which is expected. But how they gave Hamilton so much trouble. To me it was a bit surprising.

Haas, has not done an upgrade and there cars on On or Off depending on the track...
I also think Mick to a good job of driving today, I hope he has taken a step forward...

DLSTR · 07-09-2022, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by danegrey

Finish watching the sprint and as I commented above.
I guess my take away is how well the Haas team did. Yea Perez got around them, which is expected. But how they gave Hamilton so much trouble. To me it was a bit surprising.

Haas, has not done an upgrade and there cars on On or Off depending on the track...
I also think Mick to a good job of driving today, I hope he has taken a step forward...

Mercedes is a very drag filled design aero wise. They are still struggling on the straights. The Ferrari powered cars are cleaner and faster aero wise + power.

DLSTR · 07-09-2022, 03:38 PM

Unless Ferrari jump Max - and I dont care if its Carlos or Charles, Max will manage this and win. Tire wear could be a factor but if Max is in the lead and survives the first 5 laps........its over and so might be the title chase LOL.

Ventruck · 07-10-2022, 12:37 PM

With LeClerc leading I was expecting something to go wrong. I'm sadly surprised the race was able to stick for him.
Yet of course, Ferrari is subject to the law of averages with Sainz's car literally catching fire. Hope they're ahead of that before it happens again or to LeClerc.

But man what got into Mick...

ZCanadian · 07-11-2022, 03:53 PM

Ferrari needs to tell its drivers that they can pass one another with DRS on the straights and no defending against each other if that is going to happen, but also no dive bombing corners or trying to go around the outside of one another - that just costs time and tires, and risks DNF-ing both cars. Don't fight your teammate (for or against a pass), but if you're truly faster then you'll be in position and have the DRS to get the job done. Period. How hard can that be (to explain to them, or to understand).

If that means they can tow and get DRS off one another, then great. But what it really means is that they will have two cars in the fight when and where they need it. Mechanical issues notwithstanding, of course. That hurt!

It shows how important consistency is in a long championship series, when Mercedes is in a solid third place and only 66 points behind Ferrari. Not even sure why the other teams bother to keep showing up! McLaren and Alpine are tied for 4th but at only 81 points a piece at the halfway point of the series - neither one have been consistent this year, having good races and dismal ones.

Good for Schumacher - In Silverstone he was weaving but this time, from what I saw, he actually defended properly and was decently impressive. Better than I expected. I think he's having fun now. And the improved Ferrari 2022 engine (when it finishes a race) has buoyed both Haas and Alfa Romeo into the middle of the pack.

danegrey · 07-11-2022, 06:01 PM

My biggest take away from the race was how well HAAS did, Mick drove a good race. Found out that KMAG was having engine problems, from what I understand, he had suspected engine problems starting on lap 31. So HAAS was lucky to get both cars home and in the points.

Biggest weakest is still the Ferrari engine...

It was a good race to watch, enjoyed it....

ZontheRocks · 07-12-2022, 07:15 AM

I need video of Gunther calling Gene asap!

ZCanadian · 07-12-2022, 11:26 AM

I guess Danny Ricciardo needs to make some inroads in terms of personal performance, or dust off his resume.

Colton Herta to test for McLaren in last year's car...

https://the-race.com/formula-1/herta...eid=46a8bd0fc0

DLSTR · 07-12-2022, 02:34 PM

I have a suspicion the RedBull floor has already been changed and they are suffering. Ferrari have admitted they will need to change theirs. Flexing..................by SPA there will be new tests.

RedBull are at a mysterious loss as to explain their tire degradation. Really??????

ZCanadian · 07-12-2022, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by DLSTR

I have a suspicion the RedBull floor has already been changed and they are suffering. Ferrari have admitted they will need to change theirs. Flexing..................by SPA there will be new tests.

RedBull are at a mysterious loss as to explain their tire degradation. Really??????

Good point! Never considered that possibility.
This, after Horner insisted that there was nothing wrong with their floor, too! So you just had to know it was illegal. LOL.

I do wonder if it wouldn't be better/safer if they just allowed all teams to copy this design for the balance of the year (technology sharing - maybe give RBR and Ferrari some credit toward their cost cap for having developed the idea and making it available for other teams) - it would probably resolve the safety / driver health issue from porpoising for most teams that the FIA insist gets addressed. Just make it illegal for 2023 so teams can adjust.

It certainly made for better racing. People were actually talking about action on the track, not about drivers being shaken not stirred. AND it will save a fortune in future dental claims for driver benefits (as their teeth get shaken ouf of their heads)!!!

Spooler · 07-12-2022, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DLSTR

I have a suspicion the RedBull floor has already been changed and they are suffering. Ferrari have admitted they will need to change theirs. Flexing..................by SPA there will be new tests.

RedBull are at a mysterious loss as to explain their tire degradation. Really??????

Sure looks like it. If Ferrari drops back, we will all know how Redbull and Ferrari got the advantage.

Ventruck · 07-12-2022, 09:32 PM

Tsunoda confirmed crazy person

DLSTR · 07-18-2022, 03:52 PM

Hi Ferrari and RedBull lol

https://www.planetf1.com/news/toto-w...tion-breaches/

07-09-2022, 12:49 PM	#421 (permalink)
Ventruck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: California Posts: 782 Drives: '13 Sport+Touring M6 Rep Power: 22897	I'm a little biased, but I feel like Sainz cost LeClerc a potential battle with Max today. But I get that Sainz has also had fight on his hands too these last few races. It's a survival game at Ferrari, not so much between the drivers. Both drivers literally have to avoid losing all the time. Not trying to win, but trying not to lose. Perez was a gangster. ZCanadian and ZontheRocks like this.

07-09-2022, 03:31 PM	#423 (permalink)
danegrey A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Knoxville Age: 71 Posts: 3,081 Drives: 12 370Z BK Cherry M6 Rep Power: 558939	Finish watching the sprint and as I commented above. I guess my take away is how well the Haas team did. Yea Perez got around them, which is expected. But how they gave Hamilton so much trouble. To me it was a bit surprising. Haas, has not done an upgrade and there cars on On or Off depending on the track... I also think Mick to a good job of driving today, I hope he has taken a step forward... JARblue and ZCanadian like this. __________________ Lots of Changes the Z needs to be driven and driven hard for the car lives for it

07-10-2022, 12:37 PM	#426 (permalink)
Ventruck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: California Posts: 782 Drives: '13 Sport+Touring M6 Rep Power: 22897	With LeClerc leading I was expecting something to go wrong. I'm sadly surprised the race was able to stick for him. Yet of course, Ferrari is subject to the law of averages with Sainz's car literally catching fire. Hope they're ahead of that before it happens again or to LeClerc. But man what got into Mick... ZCanadian and ZontheRocks like this.

07-11-2022, 03:53 PM	#427 (permalink)
ZCanadian A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 1,033 Drives: 2013 370Z Rep Power: 58796	Ferrari needs to tell its drivers that they can pass one another with DRS on the straights and no defending against each other if that is going to happen, but also no dive bombing corners or trying to go around the outside of one another - that just costs time and tires, and risks DNF-ing both cars. Don't fight your teammate (for or against a pass), but if you're truly faster then you'll be in position and have the DRS to get the job done. Period. How hard can that be (to explain to them, or to understand). If that means they can tow and get DRS off one another, then great. But what it really means is that they will have two cars in the fight when and where they need it. Mechanical issues notwithstanding, of course. That hurt! It shows how important consistency is in a long championship series, when Mercedes is in a solid third place and only 66 points behind Ferrari. Not even sure why the other teams bother to keep showing up! McLaren and Alpine are tied for 4th but at only 81 points a piece at the halfway point of the series - neither one have been consistent this year, having good races and dismal ones. Good for Schumacher - In Silverstone he was weaving but this time, from what I saw, he actually defended properly and was decently impressive. Better than I expected. I think he's having fun now. And the improved Ferrari 2022 engine (when it finishes a race) has buoyed both Haas and Alfa Romeo into the middle of the pack. God-Speed, JARblue, danegrey and 2 others like this. Last edited by ZCanadian; 07-11-2022 at 04:14 PM.

07-11-2022, 06:01 PM	#428 (permalink)
danegrey A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Knoxville Age: 71 Posts: 3,081 Drives: 12 370Z BK Cherry M6 Rep Power: 558939	My biggest take away from the race was how well HAAS did, Mick drove a good race. Found out that KMAG was having engine problems, from what I understand, he had suspected engine problems starting on lap 31. So HAAS was lucky to get both cars home and in the points. Biggest weakest is still the Ferrari engine... It was a good race to watch, enjoyed it.... DLSTR, Ventruck, ZCanadian and 1 others like this. __________________ Lots of Changes the Z needs to be driven and driven hard for the car lives for it

07-09-2022, 03:38 PM	#425 (permalink)
DLSTR A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Süd Germany Posts: 2,462 Drives: 21Supra 2.0/22 M240i Rep Power: 21267	Unless Ferrari jump Max - and I dont care if its Carlos or Charles, Max will manage this and win. Tire wear could be a factor but if Max is in the lead and survives the first 5 laps........its over and so might be the title chase LOL.

07-12-2022, 07:15 AM	#429 (permalink)
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07-12-2022, 11:26 AM	#430 (permalink)
ZCanadian A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Canada Posts: 1,033 Drives: 2013 370Z Rep Power: 58796	I guess Danny Ricciardo needs to make some inroads in terms of personal performance, or dust off his resume. Colton Herta to test for McLaren in last year's car... https://the-race.com/formula-1/herta...eid=46a8bd0fc0

07-12-2022, 02:34 PM	#431 (permalink)
DLSTR A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Süd Germany Posts: 2,462 Drives: 21Supra 2.0/22 M240i Rep Power: 21267	I have a suspicion the RedBull floor has already been changed and they are suffering. Ferrari have admitted they will need to change theirs. Flexing..................by SPA there will be new tests. RedBull are at a mysterious loss as to explain their tire degradation. Really?????? JARblue, Spooler and ZCanadian like this.

07-12-2022, 09:32 PM	#434 (permalink)
Ventruck Track Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Location: California Posts: 782 Drives: '13 Sport+Touring M6 Rep Power: 22897	Tsunoda confirmed crazy person JARblue and DLSTR like this.

07-18-2022, 03:52 PM	#435 (permalink)
DLSTR A True Z Fanatic Join Date: May 2011 Location: Süd Germany Posts: 2,462 Drives: 21Supra 2.0/22 M240i Rep Power: 21267	Hi Ferrari and RedBull lol https://www.planetf1.com/news/toto-w...tion-breaches/ danegrey and ZCanadian like this.

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