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b1adesofcha0s · 05-31-2012, 11:46 AM

I think part of the reason people are saying they are overpriced is because of the dealer mark-up on these cars. They are being produced in limited numbers and are going to go for a bit more at first.

I think the car would be pretty awesome to buy used in a few years for a couple thousand cheaper. At the price it's at now, it's in the range of cars that I would say are a step up from it performance wise (Z, 5.0, etc.). If you look in the used market, you can get much better performing "driver's cars" for a little bit more than the BRZ. You can get a Lotus Elise or Porsche Cayman for that much. Yeah I know they have higher maintenance costs and stuff, but I'm strictly looking at the cost of the car.

The true value of a car to any person is really subjective. Some people just care about the driving experience and would be willing to pay extra for it even if the car's numbers don't hold up to other similar cars. I personally think you should look at everything together and evaluate the car overall after driving it. Sure the FRS/BRZ may give a great driving experience for some, but for others it might feel underpowered which might ruin the experience for them.

speedfreek · 05-31-2012, 12:19 PM

Couldn't have said it better myself, b1adesofcha0s.

vo2max99 you need to calm down about your precious. No one is trying to talk you out of your love for the FRS/BRZ/MX5. If any of those floats your boat then go buy it. No need to worry about someone else thinking it's over priced and under-powered. You are putting alot of effort into something that is falling on deaf ears. Some people won't buy the aforementioned cars due the fact that you feel

driving it or because the price range falls in where the younger crowd will be able to get their hands on it and do not want to be associated with that crowd. This of course is regardless of how the car performs overall, albeit under-powered or not.

NeoSHNIK · 05-31-2012, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Sure the FRS/BRZ may give a great driving experience for some, but for others it might feel underpowered which might ruin the experience for them.

No, FRS/BRZ is the best possible car for everybody. Its stupid to look at track #'s. If you are just basing your opinion on some #'s, then you are ignorant and support terrorists. Bottom line is - go buy FRS/BRZ and tell you friends.
One last thing to remind - please don't look at track #'s. They are meaningless. To really understand how great FRS/BRZ is, don't just take it for a drive around the block. Instead, buy it and drive for a few years. Only then you can debate. For now, shut up and buy this car.
PS: Z suxx, Miata is the sh1t!

Vertigo · 05-31-2012, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoSHNIK

No, FRS/BRZ is the best possible car for everybody. Its stupid to look at track #'s. If you are just basing your opinion on some #'s, then you are ignorant and support terrorists. Bottom line is - go buy FRS/BRZ and tell you friends.
One last thing to remind - please don't look at track #'s. They are meaningless. To really understand how great FRS/BRZ is, don't just take it for a drive around the block. Instead, buy it and drive for a few years. Only then you can debate. For now, shut up and buy this car.
PS: Z suxx, Miata is the sh1t!

lolz

b1adesofcha0s · 05-31-2012, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NeoSHNIK

No, FRS/BRZ is the best possible car for everybody. Its stupid to look at track #'s. If you are just basing your opinion on some #'s, then you are ignorant and support terrorists. Bottom line is - go buy FRS/BRZ and tell you friends.
One last thing to remind - please don't look at track #'s. They are meaningless. To really understand how great FRS/BRZ is, don't just take it for a drive around the block. Instead, buy it and drive for a few years. Only then you can debate. For now, shut up and buy this car.
PS: Z suxx, Miata is the sh1t!

How dare you not complement the FRS/BRZ enough?!?! This is the ultimate goal of all automotive engineering and technology, absolute driving perfection. They might as well stop making other cars and just make the FRS/BRZ for everyone around the world to drive. If this were to happen, everyone would enjoy their cars so much it would spark a massive movement of world peace and everyone will live happily ever after. The End.

Spikuh · 05-31-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

The true value of a car to any person is really subjective. Some people just care about the driving experience and would be willing to pay extra for it even if the car's numbers don't hold up to other similar cars. I personally think you should look at everything together and evaluate the car overall after driving it. Sure the FRS/BRZ may give a great driving experience for some, but for others it might feel underpowered which might ruin the experience for them.

This is the exact thing I am hoping vo reads and figures out. Hasn't happened yet...

shadoquad · 05-31-2012, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

I think part of the reason people are saying they are overpriced is because of the dealer mark-up on these cars. They are being produced in limited numbers and are going to go for a bit more at first.

They do this with every new performance car. The Boss Mustangs were 60k when they hit lots. The E92 M3 was 90k when it first showed up. Happens with every car.

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Originally Posted by blades

I think the car would be pretty awesome to buy used in a few years for a couple thousand cheaper. At the price it's at now, it's in the range of cars that I would say are a step up from it performance wise (Z, 5.0, etc.). If you look in the used market, you can get much better performing "driver's cars" for a little bit more than the BRZ. You can get a Lotus Elise or Porsche Cayman for that much. Yeah I know they have higher maintenance costs and stuff, but I'm strictly looking at the cost of the car.

Performance step-up is not the most important feature of a sports car. If it was, we'd all own faster cars for the money than a 370z.

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Originally Posted by blades

The true value of a car to any person is really subjective. Some people just care about the driving experience and would be willing to pay extra for it even if the car's numbers don't hold up to other similar cars. I personally think you should look at everything together and evaluate the car overall after driving it. Sure the FRS/BRZ may give a great driving experience for some, but for others it might feel underpowered which might ruin the experience for them.

Agree that people have opinions and that value is subjective. But both sides of this argument should test drive the car before praising or damning it. People speculating that it's underpowered haven't driven it, either.

Spikuh · 05-31-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Agree that people have opinions and that value is subjective. But both sides of this argument should test drive the car before praising or damning it. People speculating that it's underpowered haven't driven it, either.

I agree 100%. However, bludgeoning people over the head with your opinion and deriding them for having their own opinion (especially when both sides are on equal footing - i.e. never driven said car) is a piss poor way of trying to convince others to see it your way.

b1adesofcha0s · 05-31-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

They do this with every new performance car. The Boss Mustangs were 60k when they hit lots. The E92 M3 was 90k when it first showed up. Happens with every car.

That's true. I guess we just have to get past that period for the car to reach its true price point.

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Performance step-up is not the most important feature of a sports car. If it was, we'd all own faster cars for the money than a 370z.

Maybe not to you, but that's why I said value is a subjective thing. Performance step up is one of the most important things for me for my next car, but it's not the only thing. Also have to look at cost, looks, interior, etc. My next car after my Z will most definitely not be one that is a step down in performance. At the minimum it should have the potential to be a step up after some mods.

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Agree that people have opinions and that value is subjective. But both sides of this argument should test drive the car before praising or damning it. People speculating that it's underpowered haven't driven it, either.

Exactly, but of course this is the internetz and we will forever argue and bench race without ever even sitting in the car.

shadoquad · 05-31-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

That's true. I guess we just have to get past that period for the car to reach its true price point.

sure, if you want your BRZ when erryone else has 'em.

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Maybe not to you, but that's why I said value is a subjective thing. Performance step up is one of the most important things for me for my next car, but it's not the only thing. Also have to look at cost, looks, interior, etc. My next car after my Z will most definitely not be one that is a step down in performance. At the minimum it should have the potential to be a step up after some mods.

Just saying, I bet you could have a lot more fun with a Miata than an Aventador on local roads. But on paper, the Aventador is the obviously faster machine. You just would have to route yourself around any speed bumps, couldn't drive it to its limits ever, and would have trouble leaving it parked anywhere without being a nervous wreck. It's all relative.

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Exactly, but of course this is the internetz and we will forever argue and bench race without ever even sitting in the car.

I argue with this statement, and these undocumented statistics support my assertion: 3.2, 141, the battle of Gettysburg, penguin

b1adesofcha0s · 05-31-2012, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

sure, if you want your BRZ when erryone else has 'em.

Just saying, I bet you could have a lot more fun with a Miata than an Aventador on local roads. But on paper, the Aventador is the obviously faster machine. You just would have to route yourself around any speed bumps, couldn't drive it to its limits ever, and would have trouble leaving it parked anywhere without being a nervous wreck. It's all relative.

I argue with this statement, and these undocumented statistics support my assertion: 3.2, 141, the battle of Gettysburg, penguin

Psh I would be happier staring at an Aventador in my garage all day than driving a Miata. I'd have to track it to get anywhere even close to its limits, but I'd be willing to do that.

shadoquad · 05-31-2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by b1adesofcha0s

Psh I would be happier staring at an Aventador in my garage all day than driving a Miata. I'd have to track it to get anywhere even close to its limits, but I'd be willing to do that.

Yeah, but you could actually drive the Miata places on a daily basis with no worries, and you would probably have more fun getting from A to B legally on everyday roads.

Tracking a car is quite expensive. But you could do that and have fun in the Miata as well.

But back on topic, buy a BRZ meow!

b1adesofcha0s · 05-31-2012, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Yeah, but you could actually drive the Miata places on a daily basis with no worries, and you would probably have more fun getting from A to B legally on everyday roads.

Tracking a car is quite expensive. But you could do that and have fun in the Miata as well.

But back on topic, buy a BRZ meow!

If I can buy an Aventador, I can probably afford to track an Aventador. Legally I may be able to have more fun on everyday roads, but who drives like that all the time?

I could always have something like a BRZ as a DD and Aventador as the weekend car. Best of both worlds. I would DD an Aventador if I had to, but that's just me

Isamu · 05-31-2012, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by shadoquad

Just saying, I bet you could have a lot more fun with a Miata than an Aventador on local roads. But on paper, the Aventador is the obviously faster machine. You just would have to route yourself around any speed bumps, couldn't drive it to its limits ever, and would have trouble leaving it parked anywhere without being a nervous wreck. It's all relative.

here is the thing... you pull up in an aventador.. panties drop... ladies panties...

you pull up in your slick miata... panties may drop... but they belong to doods.

Red__Zed · 05-31-2012, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Isamu

here is the thing... you pull up in an aventador.. panties drop... ladies panties...

you pull up in your slick miata... panties may drop... but they belong to Me

05-31-2012, 11:46 AM	#1 (permalink)
b1adesofcha0s A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: MD Posts: 40,963 Drives: HypeTrain Choo Choo! Rep Power: 143	I think part of the reason people are saying they are overpriced is because of the dealer mark-up on these cars. They are being produced in limited numbers and are going to go for a bit more at first. I think the car would be pretty awesome to buy used in a few years for a couple thousand cheaper. At the price it's at now, it's in the range of cars that I would say are a step up from it performance wise (Z, 5.0, etc.). If you look in the used market, you can get much better performing "driver's cars" for a little bit more than the BRZ. You can get a Lotus Elise or Porsche Cayman for that much. Yeah I know they have higher maintenance costs and stuff, but I'm strictly looking at the cost of the car. The true value of a car to any person is really subjective. Some people just care about the driving experience and would be willing to pay extra for it even if the car's numbers don't hold up to other similar cars. I personally think you should look at everything together and evaluate the car overall after driving it. Sure the FRS/BRZ may give a great driving experience for some, but for others it might feel underpowered which might ruin the experience for them. __________________ Project: b1adeZmobile (2009 370Z) \| Uprev Tune by AAM Competition \| Berk Exhaust Project: b1adeZmobile 2.0 (2014 C7 Z51) \| Corsa Xtreme Exhaust

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speedfreek A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Huntsville,AL Posts: 1,724 Drives: '12 370Z PW 6sp Rep Power: 20	Couldn't have said it better myself, b1adesofcha0s. vo2max99 you need to calm down about your precious. No one is trying to talk you out of your love for the FRS/BRZ/MX5. If any of those floats your boat then go buy it. No need to worry about someone else thinking it's over priced and under-powered. You are putting alot of effort into something that is falling on deaf ears. Some people won't buy the aforementioned cars due the fact that you feel driving it or because the price range falls in where the younger crowd will be able to get their hands on it and do not want to be associated with that crowd. This of course is regardless of how the car performs overall, albeit under-powered or not.