Subaru powered Toyota FT-86 Concept

Isamu · 03-23-2012, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by flashburn

Known fact, Captain America uses part of a Miata door as his shield.

this is true... I seent it

96bigbody · 03-24-2012, 01:12 AM

The 0.92g skidpad and 114 ft 60-0 braking aren't all that impressive either, especially for a car supposed to be a "handler". But hey, it exhibits awesome "control".

vo2max99 · 03-23-2012, 06:04 PM

I'm not really bothered by the acceleration #'s because it appears to be a blast to drive regardless. I guess some folks feel they need to prove something I don't get it. There's always going to be someone out there with a faster car. How fast your car is doesn't prove anything.

A lot of sports cars these days have so much power they aren't as rewarding to drive on a day to day bases. Sure if you have a racetrack in your back yard that's another thing but for daily driving a car doesn't need a 12:1 power to weight ratio or better to be fun to drive. There are plenty of good examples that demonstrate this but some don't seem to grasp this.

I bet this little BR-Z although much slower than most sports cars turns out to be one of the very best sports cars to drive. So if this is the case why would one dismiss a BR-Z just because it runs a ~ 15sec 1/4mile? What if it ran a 14,13 or 12 sec 1/4mile?

Why does it matter as long as its rewarding to drive? Just adding more power isn't likely to increase the fun to drive factor but likely make it's limits less approachable and hence less fun to drive on a day to day bases. People always suggest the MX-5 somehow needs more power but it really doesn't for the same reason.

A lot of sports cars have so much power and such high limits that their not even remotely attainable to approach 99% of the time unless you're at a race track going balls to the wall. Cars like the S2K, MX-5, RX-8, BR-Z,etc have limits not so high that you can actually explore them on a day to day bases. These cars can easily be drifted, ran through the gears, etc without breaking all kinds of laws / causing un wanted attention and so on.

Most sports cars these days have such high limits you can't come close to approaching them during normal everyday use. So as a result they're only really fun on a racetrack. It's nice to see companies build driver's cars vs. cars which are really quick but not much fun to drive on the street.

azn370z · 03-23-2012, 06:58 PM

Just because it handles well doesn't make it a fun car. This car will not be leaving faster sports cars behind on the twisties or the track. I'm sure buyers will eventually regret the lack of power. I would spend a little more and buy a z or spend a little less and get a mustang.

Zaggeron · 03-23-2012, 07:16 PM

+1

Agree completely. Case in point. Yesterday I drove my Z home via 2222 in Austin -- a twisty road, but quite busy during rush hour. It was fun, but mundane because of the heavy traffic.

Today I drove my normal daily driver -- Mazda 3 -- down the same road with the same traffic conditions. Did I go slower? Yes. Did it feel like I was going faster? Yes. I hate to admit it, but it was just funner in the Mazda under those sorts of conditions.

I love my Z but I'm replacing my Mazda with the BRZ. For my day to day commute in heavy traffic with bursts of acceleration down the twisties, It seems like a good choice.

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Originally Posted by vo2max99

I'm not really bothered by the acceleration #'s because it appears to be a blast to drive regardless. I guess some folks feel they need to prove something I don't get it. There's always going to be someone out there with a faster car. How fast your car is doesn't prove anything.

A lot of sports cars these days have so much power they aren't as rewarding to drive on a day to day bases. Sure if you have a racetrack in your back yard that's another thing but for daily driving a car doesn't need a 12:1 power to weight ratio or better to be fun to drive. There are plenty of good examples that demonstrate this but some don't seem to grasp this.

I bet this little BR-Z although much slower than most sports cars turns out to be one of the very best sports cars to drive. So if this is the case why would one dismiss a BR-Z just because it runs a ~ 15sec 1/4mile? What if it ran a 14,13 or 12 sec 1/4mile?

Why does it matter as long as its rewarding to drive? Just adding more power isn't likely to increase the fun to drive factor but likely make it's limits less approachable and hence less fun to drive on a day to day bases. People always suggest the MX-5 somehow needs more power but it really doesn't for the same reason.

A lot of sports cars have so much power and such high limits that their not even remotely attainable to approach 99% of the time unless you're at a race track going balls to the wall. Cars like the S2K, MX-5, RX-8, BR-Z,etc have limits not so high that you can actually explore them on a day to day bases. These cars can easily be drifted, ran through the gears, etc without breaking all kinds of laws / causing un wanted attention and so on.

Most sports cars these days have such high limits you can't come close to approaching them during normal everyday use. So as a result they're only really fun on a racetrack. It's nice to see companies build driver's cars vs. cars which are really quick but not much fun to drive on the street.

Isamu · 03-23-2012, 11:59 PM

has anyone thought that maybe it's slower in a straight line because of gearing...

theDreamer · 03-24-2012, 11:37 AM

One of the huge benefits this car is going to have, which the Z still does not, is the aftermarket. Before this car even goes on sale every part will have a better upgrade made for it already. From NA to boosted, suspension to chassis, etc. While I am still on the side that the numbers are not making this car look like a winner, the aftermarket support will just because if I want or need more I know it will be there for me to buy.

ZMan8 · 03-24-2012, 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer

One of the huge benefits this car is going to have, which the Z still does not, is the aftermarket. Before this car even goes on sale every part will have a better upgrade made for it already. From NA to boosted, suspension to chassis, etc. While I am still on the side that the numbers are not making this car look like a winner, the aftermarket support will just because if I want or need more I know it will be there for me to buy.

Good point, after market is already developing for this car where as for the 370z we had to wait a few years to even have a more than just a couple, if any, options.

Isamu · 03-24-2012, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theDreamer

One of the huge benefits this car is going to have, which the Z still does not, is the aftermarket. Before this car even goes on sale every part will have a better upgrade made for it already. From NA to boosted, suspension to chassis, etc. While I am still on the side that the numbers are not making this car look like a winner, the aftermarket support will just because if I want or need more I know it will be there for me to buy.

m4a1mustang · 03-24-2012, 12:31 PM

So all seasons?

If so, that explains the lousy skid pad and braking numbers. Get a set of Star Specs on that car and you're talking .98+ G and much shorter 60-0.

Isamu · 03-24-2012, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by m4a1mustang

So all seasons?

If so, that explains the lousy skid pad and braking numbers. Get a set of Star Specs on that car and you're talking .98+ G and much shorter 60-0.

bingo!

m4a1mustang · 03-24-2012, 12:38 PM

I knew it. Tires mean everything.

BigT · 03-24-2012, 12:38 PM

In terms of raw acceleration, this car is going to be a dud. Even with an aftermarket turbo kit, you'd have to build the block before any "real" power can be had.

However, I have this funny feeling that the chassis will run quite well. .92 skid pad is not great, but nowhere near horrible, and also 69mph in the slalom is what our Z car runs.

m4a1mustang · 03-24-2012, 12:40 PM

It should be a sweet handler with a proper tire on it.

I bet it's light enough to even do well with crappy Hankook V12s.

ZMan8 · 03-24-2012, 12:53 PM

still too expensive. Just this past week they announced it will be right around 25K (24,900 or somthing like that).

Should have had a base model start at 19,900.

03-24-2012, 01:12 AM	#2 (permalink)
96bigbody Base Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston Posts: 138 Drives: 09 nissan 370z pw/a7 Rep Power: 17	The 0.92g skidpad and 114 ft 60-0 braking aren't all that impressive either, especially for a car supposed to be a "handler". But hey, it exhibits awesome "control". __________________ 09 370z Pw 7at touring sport nav... 02 Som trans am ws7.. 408 & T76 96 black impala ss.. 396 & juice

03-23-2012, 06:04 PM	#3 (permalink)
vo2max99 Base Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Florida Posts: 120 Drives: 08MS3-BM-6MT Rep Power: 14	I'm not really bothered by the acceleration #'s because it appears to be a blast to drive regardless. I guess some folks feel they need to prove something I don't get it. There's always going to be someone out there with a faster car. How fast your car is doesn't prove anything. A lot of sports cars these days have so much power they aren't as rewarding to drive on a day to day bases. Sure if you have a racetrack in your back yard that's another thing but for daily driving a car doesn't need a 12:1 power to weight ratio or better to be fun to drive. There are plenty of good examples that demonstrate this but some don't seem to grasp this. I bet this little BR-Z although much slower than most sports cars turns out to be one of the very best sports cars to drive. So if this is the case why would one dismiss a BR-Z just because it runs a ~ 15sec 1/4mile? What if it ran a 14,13 or 12 sec 1/4mile? Why does it matter as long as its rewarding to drive? Just adding more power isn't likely to increase the fun to drive factor but likely make it's limits less approachable and hence less fun to drive on a day to day bases. People always suggest the MX-5 somehow needs more power but it really doesn't for the same reason. A lot of sports cars have so much power and such high limits that their not even remotely attainable to approach 99% of the time unless you're at a race track going balls to the wall. Cars like the S2K, MX-5, RX-8, BR-Z,etc have limits not so high that you can actually explore them on a day to day bases. These cars can easily be drifted, ran through the gears, etc without breaking all kinds of laws / causing un wanted attention and so on. Most sports cars these days have such high limits you can't come close to approaching them during normal everyday use. So as a result they're only really fun on a racetrack. It's nice to see companies build driver's cars vs. cars which are really quick but not much fun to drive on the street. Last edited by vo2max99; 03-23-2012 at 06:20 PM.

03-23-2012, 06:58 PM	#4 (permalink)
azn370z A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,722 Drives: z34 - R1 Rep Power: 490	Just because it handles well doesn't make it a fun car. This car will not be leaving faster sports cars behind on the twisties or the track. I'm sure buyers will eventually regret the lack of power. I would spend a little more and buy a z or spend a little less and get a mustang. __________________ 2010 k23 H&R sport springs / Spc rear camber arms / SSR SP1 / Berk cbe / Varis cf lip / Nismo S-Tune side skirts

03-24-2012, 11:37 AM	#7 (permalink)
theDreamer A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 30,879 Drives: 370z Rep Power: 4211	One of the huge benefits this car is going to have, which the Z still does not, is the aftermarket. Before this car even goes on sale every part will have a better upgrade made for it already. From NA to boosted, suspension to chassis, etc. While I am still on the side that the numbers are not making this car look like a winner, the aftermarket support will just because if I want or need more I know it will be there for me to buy. __________________ theDreamer's Z // Fast Intentions // Uprev // GTM // HKS // TEIN theDreamer's Silvia // URAS // GREDDY Houston Zs // Facebook // Twitter // Instagram

03-24-2012, 12:31 PM	#10 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	So all seasons? If so, that explains the lousy skid pad and braking numbers. Get a set of Star Specs on that car and you're talking .98+ G and much shorter 60-0. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

03-24-2012, 12:38 PM	#12 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	I knew it. Tires mean everything. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

03-24-2012, 12:38 PM	#13 (permalink)
BigT Enthusiast Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 469 Drives: 98 2g DSM Rep Power: 14	In terms of raw acceleration, this car is going to be a dud. Even with an aftermarket turbo kit, you'd have to build the block before any "real" power can be had. However, I have this funny feeling that the chassis will run quite well. .92 skid pad is not great, but nowhere near horrible, and also 69mph in the slalom is what our Z car runs.

03-24-2012, 12:40 PM	#14 (permalink)
m4a1mustang A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Northern VA Posts: 55,385 Drives: on two wheels Rep Power: 6963	It should be a sweet handler with a proper tire on it. I bet it's light enough to even do well with crappy Hankook V12s. __________________ - Steve Zs & Coffee - Saturdays at 10AM in Fairfax, VA and Columbia, MD (Click the banner!) LIKE us on Facebook!

03-24-2012, 12:53 PM	#15 (permalink)
ZMan8 A True Z Fanatic Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 5,844 Drives: 10 370z 40th M6 Rep Power: 659	still too expensive. Just this past week they announced it will be right around 25K (24,900 or somthing like that). Should have had a base model start at 19,900. __________________ 2010 370Z 40 Anniv., 6 MT \| Fast Intentions \| Swift Springs \| SPC \| Z1Motorsports \| JWM \| Redline Oils \| 35% Window Tint 2015 Mazda6 \| 370ZChicago: Chicago Area Cars & Coffee

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